[Xiphias]

Originally Posted by BuckinAround

I have not posted to this thread I started for a loooong time. I'm sorry for anyone who was watching it. We raise meat goats and were in kidding season one. It's almost over, whooh! A very busy time for us.

Yankee did have a sonogram done. She is in foal at almost eight months now and due Mid March to Mid April. She was pregnant and in foal when I bought her and not told. As one said, maybe they did not have her long enough to know either. Yankee has been being fed mare care way and taken care of. We are told she has a very large foal and a little larger than Beagle size right now.

I'm excited but nervous. We are not horse breeders and I beleive in breeding for a purpose - pedigree/enhancement of breed or stock, those type of breeding. Not just for the hec of it. Our first time around and hope all goes well. We may decide to take her to the vet for her foaling and have them watch/help as needed because we are that unexperienced with horse birthing.

Again, sorry for the long delay but we have been so extremely busy! I'll keep this post up if anyone is interested.

That sounds like a wise decision, I hope everything goes normal, and you have a healthy little foal...don't forget to post a pic of them, you know we all love seeing foal pics...Cathy

[I LUV BESS]

oh wow.. shock or what!!

eeeeee bet everyone is exited!!

[cassandra01000]

Awe yay im glad you updated i love reading about mares pregnancys

[BuckinAround]

I am wondering if I can get some opinions, yet again. Although a sonogram was done and the vet saying 7/8 months with a larger size Beagle foal. I have three very experienced horse friends now. Two are a couple who trained for many years, has had foals, knows every part of a horse and so on.........the other has just been around horses for thirty some odd years.

I have not known these friends for long, actually since just a few months. They all say Yankee (even with sonogram by the vet) looks way past 7/8 months. That she is extremely large, well dropped and just plain BIG. Her belly wobbles at the bottom when she walks from all the weight, she has went from her mellow loving mare we rode in Summer to pinning her ears (at everyone), not wanting to be touched, hardly wants grooming etc.....just not Yankee. She is not bagged up and truly she is so big you have to get under her to look to see now.

So, my Q.

Would anyone think she is further along? Maybe due closer to Feb? Yankee started showing in August and truly showing her belly growing in September of this year. I am posting more pics below of the stages in weight/belly change. I am asking because if you have read this thread, I am not the horse breeder. Everyone (horse experienced people) say she looks to go very soon and not April when they see her. Also, my husbands sons wife, whom showed horses and help her mother raise horses, stopped by to pick up their Xmas gifts yesterday and also said the same thing. She is a young 23 but experienced with horses also.

Thanks for any input................

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She is huge in the belly and looks all belly now. Her butt is no longer round and mostly pointed looking. She is very slanted from the top of her backbone to her tail. The weight makes her look sway now.

[BuckinAround]

Well.....an update.

Today I finally got a hold of the previous owner. Their mare also is in foal. The story is told as this.........

Yankee is 9 months in foal and I am awaiting to hear of a more definate date. Another mare, still owned by the previous owner of Yankee is also 9 months in foal.

Two possible sires are (1) A AQHA palomino stud colt - very young and they do not think he is the sire of these foals. They (the people I bought Yankee from) beleive this young colt was to small to breed these mares.
OR
(2) A neighbors APHA stud whom did get out and was found in the pasture at morning feeding with these mares. He was taken home immediatly. Thought to have not had the chance to breed the mares even if he was in the pasture overnight.

So I am looking at two definates, one or the other as the foals father. The previous owner is happily joyful they are having a foal and I am so so about it still. Ok, I'm excited now....... She did tell me we would be having colorful foals? We'll see. Waiting on hearing the other mares due date because I know they both were bred by the same stud. The other mare is also a bay. Our Yankee is Appendix and therefore leaving the foal a x with Quarter?

What would you think about color? With a Palomino? With a paint? Colored or breeding stock?

J

[HUS_WP_lovr]

Well with color it depends on the daddy's homozygous status if it is the paint. Is he overo, tobiano, or tovero? What color is he?

If the daddy is the palomino you have a 30% chance you will get a buckskina nd a 30% you will get a bay. A 16% chance of a palomino and a 16% chance of a chestnut.

Congrats on the baby btw !!!!!!!!!!!

[Miss Neigh]

i would bet that the sire of the foal/s would be the palomino colt, they can breed at quite a young age and are quite capable of serving a mare rather taller then themselves where there is a will there is a way!
Also it sounds as if he was paddocked with the mares most of the time? so he would have had enough time to catch the three mares in season at seperate times.

[Lissette]

Wow!! Congrats on the baby, Hoping for the best!!

[BuckinAround]

Thanks for the congrats. Just want to update real quick.

I do hope she has something other than a Bay. If she does have a Bay I would like a dark Mahongany type like Yankee.

Yankee is looking VERY pregnant. Her belly is no longer the nice rounded type but like sagging underneath with a bulge look. Excuse my non equine description but that is how it looks now. She is healthy and back up to weight. She did need a few pounds after we were sure she was in foal. I'll post pics after the horrible weather settles a bit. I do hope she was bred to the Palomino instead of the Paint, but either way, it does'nt matter. Afterall, we were not looking to have a foal anyhow......lol.

Also lately Yankee is showing extremely bad habits of biting towards us. I am not sure if it is the pregnant horomones ? or her just being rude and disrespectful towards us now. She tried to bite my 12 yr old when grooming today and swished her tail at me when I was re braiding it. Any suggestions on stopping this or will it pass?

[accphotography]

The biting is often hormonal. Sometimes it passes before the baby, other times not until a while after the baby is born. She is probably feeling crummy and just doesn't want to be touched.

How do you know the mares were bred by the same stallion. The palomino yearling could absolutely have gotten them in foal, at different times. Or the pally got one or two of them in foal and the Paint got another. There is no way to know until a DNA test is done, OR the baby comes out diluted or painted. :-)

We can't tell you about the chances of the foal being painted (if by that stud) without knowing his zygosity for whatever gene(s) he is carrying. Also, we could help with the base color if you knew what color he is. It might be breeding stock, or it might be colored. If a DNA test shows the Paint is the sire, do you think you can get a breeders' certificate so you can get the foal registered?

We also can't tell you too much about the palomino's (or the Paint's for that matter) possible color production without knowing both his and the mare's zygosity for agouti. We would also need the mare's zygosity for black. Saying everyone is heterozygous for everything you have approximately:
25% bay
25% buckskin
16.5% chestnut
16.5% palomino
8.25% black
8.25% smokey black

The red and black (non agouti) based, of course, are only if the mare is not homozygous black and neither horse is homozygous agouti.

ACC