[Dawn]

Very sorry, I was just going off of what was posted a few pages back (only a few pages ago). I wasn't sure that you'd learned everything you were asking about in 3-4 days time.

[Appylvr]

Originally Posted by Reyven

What a wait....

As far as papers are concerned, they would be good to have in your name. You never know what might happen one day, and a horse with papers is often times more desirable to people. Not to mention, it would be good to have the foal registered if he/she is able to be. It may be a lot of work, but I think it would be worth it in the long run.

I agree with Reyven... especially with the horse market the way it is. If you ever had to get rid of them, a registered horse is more marketable.

This is so exciting!!! Hopefully you'll be able to tell who the daddy is by looking at the baby, if not there is always DNA tests.

Reminds me of a foaling I got to watch. The mare was bred to a Paint stud (the sire of my gelding) and a mammoth jack a few days apart. Through out the whole pregnancy the people didn't know if they were going to have a Paint or a Mule! We were all staring at the babies head and finally when it flopped it's ears, the breeder was like "It's a MULE!"

[BuckinAround]

Registration may be something to think about. I have also been told that possibly if I do ask for registration, I may be charged stud fees due to the fact both possible studs are registered. One with AQHA and the other with APHA. Or be declined that any breeding did not take place. But truly, if we have a brain at all, we must ask, is either of these studs the father??
Yankee was used on cows and branding then went to Jr Rodeo and then handed down to Gymkhana/jumping for the young daughter. She was fast but not fast enough to take 1st and in the meantime carelessly bred and was being neglected when we purchased her. She is almost like a race track story but instead of the track she didnt make some little girl 1st place. Maybe when the foal comes it will be better known or noticeable that one or the other is the foals father. As inexperienced as I may be trying to help foal, it really erks me that these people (who we bought her from) are such horse people yet didnt care about her and gave up on her until they knew she was in foal. They did not even want to talk to us or call us back with answers. Now they want to know when she foals and what we are going to do with the foal. If we are selling it and they are interested if so. It's a game of foolish people trying to make a dime. Thats just a little bit of story behind this mare and foal.

Dawn, I was not venting directly towards you. A few board members have asked about her such as breed, age, feeding etc. Actually i have been very vague on what I say sometimes with care and feed. I'm just searching trying to make sure we are doing the right things for Yankee. She is such a nice mare and we all love her to death. Its miserable seeing her miserable. Its becoming very emotional time and a bit stressful. I dont know why, but it is......lol. I think all harrassment from the previous owners wanting the foal yet not wanting to talk to us about the breeding. The sad eyes of Yankee, seeing her rub her butt cheecks raw and putting ointment on, the rain wont stop......lol sob sob......

Anyhow, I wuold like to report that she swished her tail up high and it just fell backwards and laid on her back then slid down the side of her. I think she is so loose she has no control of her hanging tail at times.

Another day? week? month?

[satinzevi]

I've been following this thread for awhile and finally decided to post. And ya, it does sound like she's getting very close. Good luck with the foaling and hopefully it'll be obvious which is the sire. lol. At least you have two very different stallions in question rather than two bays/greys/etc. lol. And aren't people that that soooo fun? I just love it...they neglect the mare but then want the baby? They sound like those people that buy a puppy but then loose interest when it's full grown.

[Frack]

Registration may be something to think about. I have also been told that possibly if I do ask for registration, I may be charged stud fees due to the fact both possible studs are registered.

It is a matter of honor in cases of accidental breedings where the mare owner (you, a mere purchaser) is in no way at fault that a stallion owner (who is at fault) sign off on full registration to a foal if it qualifies without demanding a fee. You are not at fault. If the loose paint bred your mare, then its owners are at fault. If the previous owners of the mare also owned the pali, then they are at fault. If the previous owners of the mare only took care of the pali for its owner, it's more problematic. I would still talk to the stud's owners. I do not know about the registration criteria on an appendix mare that is bred to a paint or a QH. But if you can determine paternity and registration is available, I would ask. Make it known that you did not ask for this situation to occur. Make it clear that the unplanned foal deserves the best chance at marketability. You did not cause this mistake to happen, and any stallion owner who is worth their salt will help you and the foal the only way they can... PAPERS.

I would never pay a stud fee in your situation.

[Ringo]

Just making my daily check on this thread. Hopefully you'll be able to register the foal!

[Appylvr]

Definately don't pay a stud fee! Makes me mad they even suggested it!!!

That's when you reply back that you were not looking to buy a pregnant mare. It should have been disclosed that she possibly could have been. Then say if they want you to pay the stud fee, then they can go ahead and pay all of your vet and feed bills for this unexpected pregnancy.

That is the way I would handle it. Then tell them you need them to DNA test their studs, so you can charge the feed and vet bills to the right person...

I didn't see Frack's post until now, but I agree totally. If the previous owner's didn't own the palomino I still think they or the owner is responsible. If they own a stud colt they should be smart enough to know it can breed as early as 6 months.

[BuckinAround]

Originally Posted by Appylvr

Definately don't pay a stud fee! Makes me mad they even suggested it!!!

That's when you reply back that you were not looking to buy a pregnant mare. It should have been disclosed that she possibly could have been. Then say if they want you to pay the stud fee, then they can go ahead and pay all of your vet and feed bills for this unexpected pregnancy.

That is the way I would handle it. Then tell them you need them to DNA test their studs, so you can charge the feed and vet bills to the right person...

I do agree and would not mind the papers. I will have to work for them I'm sure. At least I know there are some out there that do understand this situation. If my husband saw the three vet bills and feed bills, along with the new halter for her and the baby he would restrict me from the checkbook. We had to get 400+ feet of panel fencing for the foal to be safe. (we did not need that much but it came as a package deal) Build a 14x16 shelter. Your right though and I know the only reason they want the foal is because they know it CAN be registered. I especially knew when I asked in reply to their email back in December about the paint stud pedigree and what he looked like. I got no response until a few weeks later and it wasnt about the sire. It was about get ready and if I need help they will come down and help deliver (a three(3) hour drive for them). Is'nt that odd? If there was nothing behind it, why not just say call when its born and we'll send the info. Instead its "we'll take the foal", "we'll buy the foal" and now in desperation emails about Yankee and if she has foaled and they will come. It's absolutely nuts how they are acting. I do not even return email any longer because of the reactions.

Thanks and I will persue the paper registration when the foal is born.

[cminor]

Good luck with the registration papers as that can be a nightmare to deal with. Sorry you are having such a tough go with the previous owners. I hope she foals soon so you can relax some.

[PeggySue]

I would check yourself with the APHA about DNA or one of our members can tell you I am sure if APHA requires they be DNA and if they do you might be able to get the registion done that way

If I were the stud owner I would ask you to pay for the "paperwork" but nothing else... yes it was accident BUT from the way it sounds they did not know but then again they could be lying to you also

IF you want the papers I am sure you will end up paying something