[lilrider]

Originally Posted by Exitpoint

I purchased Capone when he was 2.5 years old, at the 1998 Holsteiner Verband stallion auction. I have been the main trainer, rider, and groom for Capone ever since - with help from many others over the years. I would name them explicitly here, but frankly I'd worry they might get pulled into this and that doesn't seem fair to them.

But you do not own him now?

So how did that happen?

[mtgirl]

Originally Posted by Exitpoint

I purchased Capone when he was 2.5 years old, at the 1998 Holsteiner Verband stallion auction. I have been the main trainer, rider, and groom for Capone ever since - with help from many others over the years. I would name them explicitly here, but frankly I'd worry they might get pulled into this and that doesn't seem fair to them.

In short, I consider the entire team around Capone to be the key to his success. I've been the coordinator and a key member of that team since Day One, but others have played important roles - sometimes only for a few months, sometimes for years. His competition rider, Kyle King, has been "in the saddle" in the International ring with Capone since late 2003 - I have not competed, myself, at that level though I do have limited experience at the Grand Prix level. I competed in the hunter ring as a youngster, myself, and was Small Pony Hunter Champion of Western Pennsylvania two years in a row, way back in the 1980s, on my grey, half-arabian pony "Atom Ant."

I rode Capone on his first trail ride, in his first schooling show, in his first Modified division championships, in his first Amateur Low championships, in his first Mini-Prix wins, in his first Grand Prix, and on his first fox hunts.

That's pretty much the long and short of it - I've hardly been solely responsible for every piece of his training, but we've come up together from the first time he had a saddle on through today as a team.

Regards,

ds

Well, that is something to be proud of

Do you still continue to train other horses?

You are obviously a very talented and intelligent person and could be such an asset to this forum, I hope that once this all blows over, (and penny gets bred by capone) you will continue to post on this forum

Just my 2cents, and probably a little off topic

[Exitpoint]

Originally Posted by Jenje!

You are being absolutely reasonable. I don't think it's you we have to worry about re:appropriateness. But some subjects are definitely off-limits. You've said that you chose these forums to post in because the mods seem respectable (in so many words), but a certain amount of censoring comes with that and makes the forums what they are... a (mostly) safe place for we boring adults and a lot of kids to hang out.

You make a good point, and it is fair to say that a free-for-all here, while removing the temptation for people to claim nonexistent "proof" because they'd be forced to post it publicly, would likely also result in the sort of mob-rule, rumor frenzy that, for example, the COTH seems to have cultivated with some pride in regards to me.

Still, I want to point out the obviously worrisome nature of any claim that "proof" exists for any of the allegations made in this thread by someone who says "I have proof, but I can't post it - trust me it's solid." That's a recipe for temptation, in terms of citing either weak/insubstantial "proof" which cannot even be challenged by me or anyone with an objective viewpoint - or just claiming "proof" that doesn't exist.

In fact, I've PM'd one poster claiming more or less exactly that, several hours ago, with no response thus far. Surely, if someone has "proof" that is not suitable for public posting here - they can PM it to me so I can review it, directly?

My father, who passed on in 2006, used to have a corny story that almost qualifies as an aphorism, which might be appropriate. He'd pull out a plain, old metal athletic whistle - the kind coaches used to use, in school gym class. He'd say "do you like my elephant-repelling whistle? It's very valuable, and 100% effective." The target of his story would ask "um, how do you know it's an 'elephant repelling' whistle, and not just a normal one?"

My father would then respond, with the merest hint of a smirk: ". . . see any elephants?"

Disproving the negative is, indeed, devilously hard.

Q.E.D.

Regards,

ds

[Iluvmypunkin]

Originally Posted by Exitpoint

No worries, it all sort of runs together now that more than a week has gone by. He was stolen last Friday, and then reported stolen. He was located later this week, but he has since been smuggled into Canada from the USA with forged health documents. So, we now know who stole him and where he is - but recovering him isn't as simple as going over to get him because he's been taken across an international border in the meantime.

Incidentally, doing so in the commission of a felony makes this case, by definition, subject to US Federal prosecution. We've been warned already that the crime involved, though serious, is unlikely to rise to the level where the perpetrator can be extradited to the USA to face trial here. However, that doesn't mean a felony warrant won't be issued and outstanding until the defendant surrenders to US custody or, if not caught in the US, the warrant will remain in effect in perpetuity.

The copies of official press releases, and court filings, can be found on our News page, in pdf format, for download.

Regards,

ds

Ok so if u know where he is and i am "sure" that you or someone your are affiliated with has proof of ownership even though he is in Canada there is NO WAY of getting him back in the states... and why havent I seen anything about it in the news that you or the authorites know where he is... because all I have seen is reports on him being stolen... and by the way the link above doesnt work

[lilrider]

Originally Posted by Iluvmypunkin

Ok so if u know where he is and i am "sure" that you or someone your are affiliated with has proof of ownership even though he is in Canada there is NO WAY of getting him back in the states... and why havent I seen anything about it in the news that you or the authorites know where he is... because all I have seen is reports on him being stolen... and by the way the link above doesnt work

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Amazing...4911317&page=1

read it instead of asking questions that have already been answered

[Jenje!]

Originally Posted by Iluvmypunkin

Ok so if u know where he is and i am "sure" that you or someone your are affiliated with has proof of ownership even though he is in Canada there is NO WAY of getting him back in the states... and why havent I seen anything about it in the news that you or the authorites know where he is... because all I have seen is reports on him being stolen... and by the way the link above doesnt work

The link does work and will answer your "questions"/attacks. Corrine Super has admitted to orchestrating the theft. It hasn't been said that there is "NO WAY" of getting the horse back, just that it isn't as simple as some would make it out to be. Which is quite right.

[Iluvmypunkin]

Originally Posted by lilrider

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Amazing...4911317&page=1

read it instead of asking questions that have already been answered

sorry i just couldnt get the link to work.... I wasnt trying to be rude or anything.... so SORRY!

and btw... everyone else is repeating questions so....

[lilrider]

Originally Posted by Iluvmypunkin

sorry i just couldnt get the link to work.... I wasnt trying to be rude or anything.... so SORRY!

and btw... everyone else is repeating questions so....

And they are getting chastised for it as well. If everyone else jumps off a bridge will you jump too?

[Iluvmypunkin]

I was not attacking I am completly netural (sp?) in this I have no problem with mr spink... I dont know him there for I dont judge.. nor should anyone else who doesnt know him personally...

He paid his debt to society and there fore to me he has a clean slate..
I was just curious because I didnt see anything to the extent of anyone knowing (as in the authorites) where he was and I was just asking a simple question... Sorry if I offended anyone .....

Jess

[Iluvmypunkin]

Originally Posted by lilrider

And they are getting chastised for it as well. If everyone else jumps off a bridge will you jump too?

No I would yell as they are falling "I M GONNA MISS YOUR GOOFY BUTT"

and I was just stating that it seems like everyone is dancing around the same questions

and I was asking a question when i said there is "no way of getting him back" i just forgot to put they question mark in there so just to let everyone know... as i said I am not attacking anyone .... I have read the WHOLE thread (which took forever btw) and I was just wondering a simple question... sorry again if I offended anyone....