Nutritionalist Gurus

bay_blnd jmpr07 · 09-05-2006, 06:41 PM

Just wondering how much these two feeds are from each other...basically what they both mean...

Feed 1-

Crude Protein- not less then 14%
Fat- not less then 6%
Fiber-not more then 8%
Calcium, minimum-not less then .6%
Calcium, maximum-not more then .9%
Phosphorus, minimum-not less then .6%
Copper, ppm-not less then 55
Zinc, ppm- not less then 220
Vitamin A IU/lb-not less then 3000
Selenium, ppm- not less then .6

Feed 2-

Crude Protein- not less then 14%
Fat- not less then 6%
Fiber-not more then 6.5%
Calcium, minimum-not less then .6%
Calcium, maximum-not more then .9%
Phosphorus, minimum-not less then .5%
Copper, ppm-not less then 55
Zinc, ppm- not less then 220
Vitamin A IU/lb-not less then 3000
Selenium, ppm- not less then .6

The only differences are Fiber and Phospherus. So what do these feeds mean, and what does the difference in them mean?

Sue B · 09-05-2006, 08:52 PM

Given just this information....basically....in the grand scheme of all things fed...they are the same. The amount of fiber tells me that they are most likely grain based products.

However, this is not enough information to determine what the real differences are. The differences will come in the form of ingredients. For example, if one is corn based with molasses and non-plant based sources of minerals/vitamins and the other has things like oats, soy hulls and chelated or plant source minerals...than I would select the later of the two. It would proivde more easily digestable/more available nutrition.

The source of everything from protein to fiber and minerals is important in how much nutrients can be digested from the feed. Other little added attractions that might be in the ingredient list, but not on the guaranteed analysis list are: kelp, flax, soy hulls, sunflower seeds, oils, rice bran, beet pulp, yeast and probiotics. These are just a few things I look for...but there are many others. I would also look to see how many other added minerals there might be that are not listed in the guaranteed analysis. Also, I look for added amino acids...those however are generally on the analysis. Witherout added amino acids (things that end in "ine" and are generally listed below the protein) protein levels are basically useless because it takes a certain amount of lysine in particluar, and other amino acids to make use of proteins.

Other things that I look for are not generally listed...I have to contact the companies to find out: molasses, NSC (sugar/starch levels) and calories. Without knowing these important aspects of a feed, I don't know how much energy it is providing for my horse...if it will meet his needs or not....and I don't know how safe it is to feed...high carb feeds with an abundance of molasses and high NSC are underlying causes of colic, laminitis and general health issues.

I also want to know what the preservatives are....I will not feed anything perserved with checmicals such as BHT, BHA or Ethoxiquine (sp?). These are all reported to be cancer causing and many farriers have noted poor hoof quality in horses eating feeds with these preservatives.

JBandRio · 09-06-2006, 07:20 AM

Ethoxyquin

FYI - ethoxyquin, while labeled "safe" to feed by the FDA

is also used to stabilize rubber. No thanks

09-05-2006, 06:41 PM	#1
bay_blnd jmpr07 Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: N.Granby, Connecticut Posts: 11,058 Images: 424	Nutritionalist Gurus Just wondering how much these two feeds are from each other...basically what they both mean... Feed 1- Crude Protein- not less then 14% Fat- not less then 6% Fiber-not more then 8% Calcium, minimum-not less then .6% Calcium, maximum-not more then .9% Phosphorus, minimum-not less then .6% Copper, ppm-not less then 55 Zinc, ppm- not less then 220 Vitamin A IU/lb-not less then 3000 Selenium, ppm- not less then .6 Feed 2- Crude Protein- not less then 14% Fat- not less then 6% Fiber-not more then 6.5% Calcium, minimum-not less then .6% Calcium, maximum-not more then .9% Phosphorus, minimum-not less then .5% Copper, ppm-not less then 55 Zinc, ppm- not less then 220 Vitamin A IU/lb-not less then 3000 Selenium, ppm- not less then .6 The only differences are Fiber and Phospherus. So what do these feeds mean, and what does the difference in them mean? __________________ Semper Paratus Fiona's First Class-Oldenburg/Arabian mare Waldemar-Hanoverian gelding Illusive Legacy-Miniature filly

09-06-2006, 07:20 AM	#3
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 23,699 Images: 145 Blog Entries: 12	Ethoxyquin FYI - ethoxyquin, while labeled "safe" to feed by the FDA is also used to stabilize rubber. No thanks __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - You can't hit me with all those snowballs!

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09-05-2006, 08:52 PM	#2
Sue B Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,824 Images: 6	Given just this information....basically....in the grand scheme of all things fed...they are the same. The amount of fiber tells me that they are most likely grain based products. However, this is not enough information to determine what the real differences are. The differences will come in the form of ingredients. For example, if one is corn based with molasses and non-plant based sources of minerals/vitamins and the other has things like oats, soy hulls and chelated or plant source minerals...than I would select the later of the two. It would proivde more easily digestable/more available nutrition. The source of everything from protein to fiber and minerals is important in how much nutrients can be digested from the feed. Other little added attractions that might be in the ingredient list, but not on the guaranteed analysis list are: kelp, flax, soy hulls, sunflower seeds, oils, rice bran, beet pulp, yeast and probiotics. These are just a few things I look for...but there are many others. I would also look to see how many other added minerals there might be that are not listed in the guaranteed analysis. Also, I look for added amino acids...those however are generally on the analysis. Witherout added amino acids (things that end in "ine" and are generally listed below the protein) protein levels are basically useless because it takes a certain amount of lysine in particluar, and other amino acids to make use of proteins. Other things that I look for are not generally listed...I have to contact the companies to find out: molasses, NSC (sugar/starch levels) and calories. Without knowing these important aspects of a feed, I don't know how much energy it is providing for my horse...if it will meet his needs or not....and I don't know how safe it is to feed...high carb feeds with an abundance of molasses and high NSC are underlying causes of colic, laminitis and general health issues. I also want to know what the preservatives are....I will not feed anything perserved with checmicals such as BHT, BHA or Ethoxiquine (sp?). These are all reported to be cancer causing and many farriers have noted poor hoof quality in horses eating feeds with these preservatives.