Not Your Typical Ending Slaughter Thread

Blistering Winds · 01-13-2006, 02:47 PM

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Horses are not cows. We teach horses to trust us and do many many things that aren't natural. We don't commonly teach that to cows

Ummm...actually I know a few cows who live like horses. Ridden and everything!

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Tell me how you can justify sending an animal to slaughter, when a $1.00 bullet would be better for them?

Have you ever tried to shoot a horse in the head? My sheriff has. Even a good marksman can have a bullet ricochet off around in the head, and the animal be in SEVERE Pain and not dead.

The bolt cannot ricochet. That is why it is the preferred method.

ThisIsMe · 01-13-2006, 02:48 PM

Also some people dont have the land or facilites to have a horse put down on their property. Last time I checked, getting a dead horse removed from your property wasnt exactly cheap.

Not everyone takes moeny to send their horse's to the doggers. I've known people who have simply rang them and said this horse needs to go. If the horse has been injured they come and shoot it on the property before removing it.

Aztecnitemare · 01-13-2006, 02:54 PM

As for mustangs (I personally own one and adore her) why can't someone with horses lease the land as the cattle farmers do? Hmm there's an idea. The BLM lease the land the same way cattle farmer do. Cheaper than feeding em in lots, that so many complain is a drain.
For those that say horse are harder on the land than cattle. Come here to Texas and look at the cattle pastures. They look the same as my pasture (and I have four horses on 2.25 acres), picked completely clean. Well except the cattle don't eat the weeds and darned mesquite but my horses do. Which everyone here is glad to be rid of.

Have any of you ever been into a slaughterhouse? I have both cattle and horse. We hauled both (carcasses)to the airport. I won't get into details, but lets just say I prefer the cattle slaughterhouses to the horse.
Oh and one other thing. Many many horses are hauled FROM mexico to the states for slaughter. Don't believe me check out the ag lines to get into the states from Mexico.

MyBabyTex · 01-13-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Aztecnitemare

Oh and one other thing. Many many horses are hauled FROM mexico to the states for slaughter. Don't believe me check out the ag lines to get into the states from Mexico.

A huge issue is transportation of slaughter bound animals.

The regulations should be enforced. But they are not always. And it is very unfortunate, because a lot of animals are in pain and discomfort when too many animals are cramped in a trailer. There should be stops every certain amount of miles as well to let the animals just rest for a bit. In an ideal world animals would only know they are going someplace bad once the bolt is 4 inches from their face.

Aztecnitemare · 01-13-2006, 03:01 PM

Yes Blister, I have had to put one of my own down and then another time someone elses. I haven't had one that didn't go down.
I can't bury a horse on my land so I've looked for alternative situations. I guess I'll dig deep in my pockets and pay someone to haul them (carcasses) off. But I do care about animals that have been my companions. Funny thing is horse meat is awesome dog food and their bones, hooves and hair can be used to make glue.
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Its a lil different here in the states. For some reason in some places they charge to come pick up the carcass. Use to be they didn't.

Blistering Winds · 01-13-2006, 04:17 PM

Aztec.....Hereford will come for free for 50 miles last I checked on a non-chemical death of an animal. They charge out the WAZOO if it was put down chemically.

Most won't come for free if chemical was used.

Aztecnitemare · 01-13-2006, 04:27 PM

Thats great Blister. I would even haul the carcass to them.
I do believe death is unavoidable, I know it happens.
The carcass means nothing to me, its all about the animal and the personality behind it.

kiddotan · 01-15-2006, 04:38 PM

Someone asked:
Eventually, one day, I hope to see special spots in all supermarket meat sections that have a special brand of meat that has been humanely raised and transported for slaughter. I have faith that humans would pay the extra chump change to get animals that were raised as humanely as possible for our dinner table. Maybe I'll even have something to do with this change, who knows.

There is organically fed and freerange, animals for eggs and meat.
Both in New Zealand, Australia and the UK. Not sure about the US or Canada.
My parents were farmers and chose to put some of their farm to free-range and organically feed. They also had organic apples and Pears (lotsa hard work, not much pay, but they were working for the lifestyle and beliefs). Took along time to get certified. Everytime they got one section of the farm certified, they would work on the next section. They were 5th and 6th generation farmers.
Tan

SaddleHappy · 01-17-2006, 10:26 AM

I can video tape or take a pic of John Lyons, Clinton Anderson, etc at a particular step, and say OMG, they are ABUSING them and people will run rampid, saying they are abusers, etc. But when you watch the WHOLE manuver, the horse wasn't harmed physically or mentally. Just one bad picture.

BW, I totally agree with you. I was having a conversation with my farrier about how cruel we felt trying to keep Moose on his feet when he was in such pain from colic, and I mentioned to him how the vet who was out here even went so far as to kick him in the stomach when he would try to lay down. The farrier said that wasn't out of the ordinary at all, and that he had even known people to tie their horses to the back of a pickup truck and drag them to keep them walking when they colic. He said that although it seems cruel, it is the only way to save a horse's life sometimes. If someone were to see a video of something like the way we were yelling at Moose, and the dog charging him, or what my vet was doing later, they would definitely think we were involved in some kind of animal cruelty. It's way too easy to take pictures or video out of context, especially with the technology that we have these day for editing.

I do believe that there are some cases of abuse in the way our food animals are raised. But one thing I can say for sure. After some of the videos I've seen in the past, and how they give the impression that it's the norm, I began to look very closely at the overpacked chicken transport trucks that I see. For some reason I frequently get behind them at stop lights. Although the animals are way too crowed, and filthy as a result, I've yet to ever see ONE SINGLE CHICKEN with it's beak clipped off. And yet some of the videos I've seen would lead me to believe that not one single chicken in this country is raised with an intact beak and the ability to eat normally. And believe me, I've scoured quite a few of those chicken trucks. I can only conclude that either the "norm" isn't being practiced in my area, or else the "norm" isn't the norm at all. Given the source of most of those videos, I think it's more likely that what they present is just highly sensationalized.

In the meantime, I eat mostly only free-range, grass fed, hormone and antibiotic-free beef, chicken and eggs, because I figure it's healthier. I am very blessed to have a source for all-natural meat close to me and with reasonable prices. And pretty soon, I hope to be raising my own chickens anyway. For eggs at least. I can't see myself ever raising my own meat animals.

SalemsMom · 02-01-2006, 10:16 AM

Peta wants people to think slaughter is so cruel, but it is regulated, and they don't take in consideration, there are horses that do need to go. Ones that would kill you if given the chance,or the horse that colics and there is no hope in saving it,but you can't bury it, or the death truck can't come for a week to pick it up, but because of the slaughter houses closing, what do you do? Illegal to bury one on the property, costly to cremate it. How about dropping it off on some other property owner, for them to deal with, as our vets say, this is exactly what is about to happen.

01-13-2006, 04:17 PM	#76
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 31,416 Images: 793 Blog Entries: 16	Aztec.....Hereford will come for free for 50 miles last I checked on a non-chemical death of an animal. They charge out the WAZOO if it was put down chemically. Most won't come for free if chemical was used. __________________ 20 lb club: New year Start: 175 Goal: 130 Current: 158 Total loss this year 17 lbs.

01-13-2006, 02:48 PM	#72
ThisIsMe Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 2,456 Images: 118	Also some people dont have the land or facilites to have a horse put down on their property. Last time I checked, getting a dead horse removed from your property wasnt exactly cheap. Not everyone takes moeny to send their horse's to the doggers. I've known people who have simply rang them and said this horse needs to go. If the horse has been injured they come and shoot it on the property before removing it.

01-13-2006, 02:54 PM	#73
Aztecnitemare Full Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 54 Images: 2	As for mustangs (I personally own one and adore her) why can't someone with horses lease the land as the cattle farmers do? Hmm there's an idea. The BLM lease the land the same way cattle farmer do. Cheaper than feeding em in lots, that so many complain is a drain. For those that say horse are harder on the land than cattle. Come here to Texas and look at the cattle pastures. They look the same as my pasture (and I have four horses on 2.25 acres), picked completely clean. Well except the cattle don't eat the weeds and darned mesquite but my horses do. Which everyone here is glad to be rid of. Have any of you ever been into a slaughterhouse? I have both cattle and horse. We hauled both (carcasses)to the airport. I won't get into details, but lets just say I prefer the cattle slaughterhouses to the horse. Oh and one other thing. Many many horses are hauled FROM mexico to the states for slaughter. Don't believe me check out the ag lines to get into the states from Mexico.

01-13-2006, 03:01 PM	#75
Aztecnitemare Full Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 54 Images: 2	Yes Blister, I have had to put one of my own down and then another time someone elses. I haven't had one that didn't go down. I can't bury a horse on my land so I've looked for alternative situations. I guess I'll dig deep in my pockets and pay someone to haul them (carcasses) off. But I do care about animals that have been my companions. Funny thing is horse meat is awesome dog food and their bones, hooves and hair can be used to make glue. This Its a lil different here in the states. For some reason in some places they charge to come pick up the carcass. Use to be they didn't.

01-13-2006, 04:27 PM	#77
Aztecnitemare Full Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 54 Images: 2	Thats great Blister. I would even haul the carcass to them. I do believe death is unavoidable, I know it happens. The carcass means nothing to me, its all about the animal and the personality behind it.

01-15-2006, 04:38 PM	#78
kiddotan Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 25	Someone asked: Eventually, one day, I hope to see special spots in all supermarket meat sections that have a special brand of meat that has been humanely raised and transported for slaughter. I have faith that humans would pay the extra chump change to get animals that were raised as humanely as possible for our dinner table. Maybe I'll even have something to do with this change, who knows. There is organically fed and freerange, animals for eggs and meat. Both in New Zealand, Australia and the UK. Not sure about the US or Canada. My parents were farmers and chose to put some of their farm to free-range and organically feed. They also had organic apples and Pears (lotsa hard work, not much pay, but they were working for the lifestyle and beliefs). Took along time to get certified. Everytime they got one section of the farm certified, they would work on the next section. They were 5th and 6th generation farmers. Tan

01-17-2006, 10:26 AM	#79
SaddleHappy Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: GA Posts: 1,021 Images: 41	I can video tape or take a pic of John Lyons, Clinton Anderson, etc at a particular step, and say OMG, they are ABUSING them and people will run rampid, saying they are abusers, etc. But when you watch the WHOLE manuver, the horse wasn't harmed physically or mentally. Just one bad picture. BW, I totally agree with you. I was having a conversation with my farrier about how cruel we felt trying to keep Moose on his feet when he was in such pain from colic, and I mentioned to him how the vet who was out here even went so far as to kick him in the stomach when he would try to lay down. The farrier said that wasn't out of the ordinary at all, and that he had even known people to tie their horses to the back of a pickup truck and drag them to keep them walking when they colic. He said that although it seems cruel, it is the only way to save a horse's life sometimes. If someone were to see a video of something like the way we were yelling at Moose, and the dog charging him, or what my vet was doing later, they would definitely think we were involved in some kind of animal cruelty. It's way too easy to take pictures or video out of context, especially with the technology that we have these day for editing. I do believe that there are some cases of abuse in the way our food animals are raised. But one thing I can say for sure. After some of the videos I've seen in the past, and how they give the impression that it's the norm, I began to look very closely at the overpacked chicken transport trucks that I see. For some reason I frequently get behind them at stop lights. Although the animals are way too crowed, and filthy as a result, I've yet to ever see ONE SINGLE CHICKEN with it's beak clipped off. And yet some of the videos I've seen would lead me to believe that not one single chicken in this country is raised with an intact beak and the ability to eat normally. And believe me, I've scoured quite a few of those chicken trucks. I can only conclude that either the "norm" isn't being practiced in my area, or else the "norm" isn't the norm at all. Given the source of most of those videos, I think it's more likely that what they present is just highly sensationalized. In the meantime, I eat mostly only free-range, grass fed, hormone and antibiotic-free beef, chicken and eggs, because I figure it's healthier. I am very blessed to have a source for all-natural meat close to me and with reasonable prices. And pretty soon, I hope to be raising my own chickens anyway. For eggs at least. I can't see myself ever raising my own meat animals.

02-01-2006, 10:16 AM	#80
SalemsMom Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,780 Images: 6	Peta wants people to think slaughter is so cruel, but it is regulated, and they don't take in consideration, there are horses that do need to go. Ones that would kill you if given the chance,or the horse that colics and there is no hope in saving it,but you can't bury it, or the death truck can't come for a week to pick it up, but because of the slaughter houses closing, what do you do? Illegal to bury one on the property, costly to cremate it. How about dropping it off on some other property owner, for them to deal with, as our vets say, this is exactly what is about to happen.