[monica-n-shiloh]

I seriously cannot believe yet another thread on slaughter is in here. Horses or not.....I think the slaughter issue has been way overdone here lately and it needs a break. Its just the same points being tossed from thread to thread.

[Equine_Harmony]

Originally Posted by cowgirlnat

Darling...we are lucky that they still allow "wild" horses to roam on our land. Mustangs are not domestic to North America. They were introduced to this land my the Spaniards many years ago. Every single "wild" horse that lives in the united states is not in fact wild but FERAL. They are descended from horses that came over on a boat. It is the BLM's job to protect America's NATURAL history. The horses are not supposed to be here and wouldn't be if it weren't for human intervention. However, because the horses were so vital to establishing this country, it is only right that they are allowed to remain. But they cannot be left to reproduced naturally. The ecosystem would be overran by too many animals. Not only do horses graze on that land but so do wild deer, elk, buffalo, and hundreds of others. The horses are priviledged to be there and thus their numbers must be controlled.

Also...you talk about a person not being allowed to have a horse if they can't have one. What about all those people who suffer to feed their own children? Or people who come on hard times and lose a job and can no longer afford to care for their horse. How many horses do you own? How much land an Hay can you supply? The real secret to saving the horses is killing off part of the Human population so you can take back the grazing land! The world is unjust and always will be. For now, slaughter is our only means for keeping horses from being crowded on dry lots and starving to death. And even that still happens. You have some very immature views and ideas when it comes to your arguments. Not to be mean, but you have to look at the whole picture...not just the one of all the poor little ponies who no one loved.

This thread as it was stated to me by the original poster, that for myself not to bring up the horse, if you want go to the thread I created and post there, I will state my points in the thread I created. BTW: I am a pro trainer, groomer and get in the round pen with horses that are crazed, I know about horses. I work with many with a woman who rescues them and then some...None go to the slaughter house they are euthanized and taken care of. Thank you for your kind words

[cowgirlnat]

Originally Posted by Equine_Harmony

This thread as it was stated to me by the original poster, that for myself not to bring up the horse, if you want go to the thread I created and post there, I will state my points in the thread I created. BTW: I am a pro trainer, groomer and get in the round pen with horses that are crazed, I know about horses. I work with many with a woman who rescues them and then some...None go to the slaughter house they are euthanized and taken care of. Thank you for your kind words

Yeah...sorry...I posted that right after an argument with my father so I was a little aggrivated already. I don't doubt your knowledge on horses or ability to work with them. I just feel you have too narrow a view on the subject. I don't know which thread you are talking about and agree that this one isn't the place to argue it. However, i do want to point out that I hate to see a horse sent to slaughter just as much as you probably, but I understand that not every animal on the planet can be saved. There is just not enough money or free land to support them. Horses are just the beginning...I can't justify the fact that there are over 20x the amount of chickens raised each year for slaughter as there are people to consume them. (not an exact estimate ) I can't afford to save the world, but I do my best to raise my own with the best of standards and not perpetuate the problem by having him gelded.

[MyBabyTex]

Just wanted to say: To everyone who gave me personal thanks for starting this thread, you are very welcome. I feel that this needed to be said. If even half of the people agree with what I have said and have compassion for these animals, that is all that matters. And it looks like more than half of you do. Something may just be done one day. People do care.

Cheers.

[Kiwi Pony]

Originally Posted by SalemWitchChild

Just to play devils advocate here...What if another country was cannibals? Would you support their meat of choice?

LMAO! Very good point. You know I almost would... as we are animals after all . What is it about us that makes us 'special'? I can't really put my finger on it (And please noone say "because God made us so"). But, it is murder, which I don't support! Maybe it's because we have a higher level of conciense and the ability to reason (well, most of us!!), so we [should] know that it is wrong to kill. But then... if we are only animals, what makes it ok to kill other animals? Because they have a lower level of concience? I don't know - but I don't think it IS right, hence I'm a vegetarian The rest of you will have to find your own answer.

[MissBandit]

Originally Posted by Trick Chick

That peta video was horrific,

Or course it was horrific, it was put together by Peta. I refuse to watch anything organized by that group. They slander, they lie... they go to criminal lengths to try and sway opinion.

[MissBandit]

Saying that slaughtering an animal for consumption is murder, well that is just OTT in my opinion.

[Kiwi Pony]

Originally Posted by Equine_Harmony

...for human consumption abroad, rather sick and UN-American...

So what? To be blunt, the world does not revolve around America, nor does (or should) everyone else set their standards and culture by the USA's.

Originally Posted by Equine_Harmony

This very animal that carried men into bloody battles, solders they are they fought in many wars with men on their backs, the pony express, travel and now the rodeo, the racing track, did you know that many of these racing horses go to slaughter? the ones who don't make the grade to speak.

Good greif. What about the bullocks that pulled the carts of American settlers over hundreds of miles, for months and months. Often to be eaten at the end. I guess the horse gets singled out because it is the only animal with a large cross-over between work/food animal and pleasure animal/pet. Do you know many, many times more horses are considered work, labour animals, and food animals, than the number that are used for leisure or sport. Why do you try to restrict their status to 'pet' only? I'm rather unimpressed with the romantic rhetoric (not just refering to this lot) about the history of the horse. They did not singlehandedly do anything. Many other animals, and most of all people!! helped made history possible. Many other animals 'serve us "nobely"'.

Personally, with the amount of horses the racing industry produces, I think culling (via slaughter) is an essential method of dealing with the riff raff that sometimes results. Yup, there are horses who just aren't up to racing. And that's ok. They can fulfill another need instead.

Originally Posted by Equine_Harmony

Our domestic beautiful horse that gets to know us, learns our cues is killed, that is a crime, don't you think?

As you may have guessed by now, nope, not one bit

After all this typing I think I can sum up my POV very quickly:
Anti horse slaughter people see horses as pets/leisure animals only.
I see horses as pets, OR work animals, OR food animals.

[Kiwi Pony]

Originally Posted by MissBandit

Saying that slaughtering an animal for consumption is murder, well that is just OTT in my opinion.

Are you referring to my post? I was talking about people when I said that, not the animals Though... I guess my moral feeling behind it is similar. But I wouldn't call it murder.

[Blistering Winds]

I see a lot of people stating the horse helped settle the land, when that isn't as true as many think.

CATTLE settled this land. CATTLE pulled the wagons across the prairies, Oxen and other various work breeds.

Horses were used to carry single riders, mules were sometimes used to pull wagons, but according to every history lesson I've every read over the years, CATTLE were the main work animal. They could go longer, with less food/water than a horse and less "balk" at pulling the heavy heavy wagons through stuff a horse NOT pulling anything has issues going through.



I'll jump in on the "anti" or "Pro" slaughter issue later. Just wanted to mention that since I see that a lot when comparing slaughter animals.