Not Your Typical Ending Slaughter Thread

Equine_Harmony · 01-10-2006, 09:16 AM

Where would the 50,000 domestic horses go? Well the BLM took 24,500 Mustangs during the round up, the ones who are too old, too wild or not desirable by means of looks are kept in a small pen.

Mustangs and our domestic horse is at risk, they are both on a scale and the scale is not balanced. Wild horses roaming the west is a delusion than a realitie... Almost 35 years ago Congress proclaimed the wild horse to be an American treasure and a law was passed in 1971... Reality of the BLM Wild Horse program are different from romantic images painted then by congress, still held by most American's. October 2005 24,500 mustangs are in holding facilities, They have the Adopt a horse program, inmates in the state of Colo. train them for sale, the lucky ones go to good homes, some are shipped out to slaughter, yes these people are making money killing the horse wild or domestic for human consumption abroad, rather sick and UN-American, they trick the people to thinking this or that horse will go to a good home, there was a story a sad one that a woman had a Arabian 15 years old, had since a foal worth a lot sold him to a man to later find out her beloved horse she sent to death with out knowing, she could not afford to take care of him and she is in a mental institution for the attempting of committing suicide, getting off the subject here for a moment to let all know check out the person you are selling your horse to if this day should come.

This very animal that carried men into bloody battles, solders they are they fought in many wars with men on their backs, the pony express, travel and now the rodeo, the racing track, did you know that many of these racing horses go to slaughter? the ones who don't make the grade to speak.

Our domestic beautiful horse that gets to know us, learns our cues is killed, that is a crime, don't you think? Where would they go you asked... many homes but not the slaughter house. the mustangs are taking away the homes of the domestic horse and the mustang should die with dignity on the land they were born on and not by mans hand, they are wild and some will die, many do. I am against the mustangs to be held by man they should roam wild and we are helping them by plating grass seed, fixing broken down fencing construct water catchments this is to be a permit of allowance, this will ease the burden of the mustang, yet he will and should die on his land, not in a man made steel machine, or beat down by an old school trainer to beat the spirit and freedom out of the mustang is a crime and against nature....

I imagine the old ones, the too wild ones in small pens remember what it was like to run free, now they can't move much can they? they once would roam smell natures air and now they smell each others fear and confusion and in the slaughter house their kinds blood. some Mares are kept in small pens up to six month to collect their urine for the Premarin for women who are going through menopause.
this drug is known to cause cancer. The poor Mare and the foals? this an increase in the horses and the industry where many are getting rich, politics, and money go hand in hand it is a ugly cycle...

As adults we give them hope and the young are their savior's...

http://www.hsus.org/video_clips/page...temID=27259984

WARNING THIS VIDEO IS VERY DISTURBING, DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK IF YOUR NOT ABLE TO MENTALLY DEAL WITH THIS.

Shotgun93 · 01-10-2006, 09:25 AM

You still didn't answer where they will go. And why should be the Mustang be put on a pedastal above other horses? Why are they more important than my horse?

MyBabyTex · 01-10-2006, 09:44 AM

Just wanted everyone to see that the problem not only lies in horse slaughter but the slaughter of all table bound animals

Whether you think the photos and videos are 'real' or not does not change the fact that millions of animals every year are kept in inhumane and unsanitary conditions.

The facts are that all slaughterhouses are not regulated as they should be.

Here is an article taken from The Washington Post. It goes into details that are facts. So please read this, no matter what your stance. And please read the whole thing from top to bottom. It is very informative.

http://www.hfa.org/hot_topic/wash_post.html

Oh and Lou... I know you are from a different country so maybe you guys are much better at this sort of thing.

MyBabyTex · 01-10-2006, 09:50 AM

Oh and Shotgun I knew that response was going to come as well. We don't have the land. We do have the land, but like you said it is too expensive for the everyday farmer to afford. That is the problem. If every average joe was given affordable land to graze cattle, pigs and poultry on, well there wouldn't be such a need for these huge corporate plants right? Well that's not profitable for the man, is it?

That is the problem. That farmers can't afford to raise the number of animals they used to. Why do you think that is? Because there is more of a profit to turn in keeping animals in cages, feeding them constantly to insure a good fat market weight and never letting them see the light of day. It would cost money to get workers to bring the animals outside in turnouts. It would cost money to let these animals be animals.

And I don't see who is ridiculing the people who are trying to feed the country???? I don't see farmers and these corporate plant people in the same light. But that is just me. You can feed a country and do it humanely. It was done for centuries.

Equine_Harmony · 01-10-2006, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shotgun93

You still didn't answer where they will go. And why should be the Mustang be put on a pedastal above other horses? Why are they more important than my horse?

The Mustang is not on a pedastal VS. Our domestic Horse.
Where will they all go? The BLM has to stop doing the round up, this will save our horses. Please understand this is about politics, money a lot money and greed. The slaughter houses take in not just the un wanted, they are greedy people in most will theft horses to make money, this si an crazy circle that has to be broken, for one strick laws has to be up and in order, no one should own a horse if they can't aford one, if the time comes they can't have the horse (s) euthanized and creamated. On abuse leaving the horses to suffer the owners should face a life sentence, when the laws if at all are strict and in forced then people will think twice.

MyBabyTex · 01-10-2006, 09:55 AM

This thread is not about the mustangs.

I believe there is a thread open concerning the mustangs, feel free to post in there. Thank you.

Equine_Harmony · 01-10-2006, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyBabyTex

Just wanted everyone to see that the problem not only lies in horse slaughter but the slaughter of all table bound animals

Whether you think the photos and videos are 'real' or not does not change the fact that millions of animals every year are kept in inhumane and unsanitary conditions.

The facts are that all slaughterhouses are not regulated as they should be.

Here is an article taken from The Washington Post. It goes into details that are facts. So please read this, no matter what your stance. And please read the whole thing from top to bottom. It is very informative.

http://www.hfa.org/hot_topic/wash_post.html

Oh and Lou... I know you are from a different country so maybe you guys are much better at this sort of thing.

OMG thank you for this link more than five stars

Equine_Harmony · 01-10-2006, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyBabyTex

This thread is not about the mustangs.

I believe there is a thread open concerning the mustangs, feel free to post in there. Thank you.

OK, thank you for the info: Good luck on your thread, I do mean this...
It is a good one.

Tammy

Shotgun93 · 01-10-2006, 10:10 AM

Yes, it was done for centuries. Before our popluation rose. In 40 years our population went from 3 billion to 6 billion.

Sure, it would be nice for everyone to be able to have their 40 acre plot and raise fruit and veggies, a few cows, pigs and sheep. Eat their own meat and spin their own sweaters. If you can find the land to do that, let me know.

Every one of those websites targets the workers that work in plants, labeling them as abusers and animal haters. But, in my area, 95% of the people that work in confinement systems, feed lots and slaughter houses are farmers that couldn't make it running the kind of operation you would like to see. We can blame the man for creating the money system that drives their business, but to say that all the people that work here are vicious people is not fair.

And, the average Joe cannot create enough food to feed people, so even if they could afford the land, it would still leave empty shelves and hungry people.

MyBabyTex · 01-10-2006, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Equine_Harmony

OK, thank you for the info: Good luck on your thread, I do mean this...
It is a good one.

Tammy

That by no means means to go! You are more than welcome to stay. I hope you do stay. I know you are very concerned with animal welfare, and this discussion is all about that. At least check up, because I am planning on posting more sites as I find them.

BTW I am not posting sites that I find incorrect and biased. It is very hard to find accurate, unbiased information about this type of thing, which is why I only have three links. Just so you guys know I am not pulling my information off all the 'be a vegetarian' sites. The Farm Sanctuary is most definitely not one of those sites, it is a rescue. PETA... well... the video was gut wrenching and I haven't seen any recent videos about this thing lately as they are all predominantly from a decade ago. Don't like PETA but sometimes they have good articles and info as they are privy to a lot of these things. They have a lot of power (unfortunately).

01-10-2006, 09:16 AM	#11
Equine_Harmony Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In a horses mind Posts: 832 Images: 11	Where would the 50,000 domestic horses go? Well the BLM took 24,500 Mustangs during the round up, the ones who are too old, too wild or not desirable by means of looks are kept in a small pen. Mustangs and our domestic horse is at risk, they are both on a scale and the scale is not balanced. Wild horses roaming the west is a delusion than a realitie... Almost 35 years ago Congress proclaimed the wild horse to be an American treasure and a law was passed in 1971... Reality of the BLM Wild Horse program are different from romantic images painted then by congress, still held by most American's. October 2005 24,500 mustangs are in holding facilities, They have the Adopt a horse program, inmates in the state of Colo. train them for sale, the lucky ones go to good homes, some are shipped out to slaughter, yes these people are making money killing the horse wild or domestic for human consumption abroad, rather sick and UN-American, they trick the people to thinking this or that horse will go to a good home, there was a story a sad one that a woman had a Arabian 15 years old, had since a foal worth a lot sold him to a man to later find out her beloved horse she sent to death with out knowing, she could not afford to take care of him and she is in a mental institution for the attempting of committing suicide, getting off the subject here for a moment to let all know check out the person you are selling your horse to if this day should come. This very animal that carried men into bloody battles, solders they are they fought in many wars with men on their backs, the pony express, travel and now the rodeo, the racing track, did you know that many of these racing horses go to slaughter? the ones who don't make the grade to speak. Our domestic beautiful horse that gets to know us, learns our cues is killed, that is a crime, don't you think? Where would they go you asked... many homes but not the slaughter house. the mustangs are taking away the homes of the domestic horse and the mustang should die with dignity on the land they were born on and not by mans hand, they are wild and some will die, many do. I am against the mustangs to be held by man they should roam wild and we are helping them by plating grass seed, fixing broken down fencing construct water catchments this is to be a permit of allowance, this will ease the burden of the mustang, yet he will and should die on his land, not in a man made steel machine, or beat down by an old school trainer to beat the spirit and freedom out of the mustang is a crime and against nature.... I imagine the old ones, the too wild ones in small pens remember what it was like to run free, now they can't move much can they? they once would roam smell natures air and now they smell each others fear and confusion and in the slaughter house their kinds blood. some Mares are kept in small pens up to six month to collect their urine for the Premarin for women who are going through menopause. this drug is known to cause cancer. The poor Mare and the foals? this an increase in the horses and the industry where many are getting rich, politics, and money go hand in hand it is a ugly cycle... As adults we give them hope and the young are their savior's... http://www.hsus.org/video_clips/page...temID=27259984 WARNING THIS VIDEO IS VERY DISTURBING, DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK IF YOUR NOT ABLE TO MENTALLY DEAL WITH THIS. Last edited by Equine_Harmony; 01-10-2006 at 09:47 AM.

01-10-2006, 09:25 AM	#12
Shotgun93 Senior Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Southwest SD Posts: 13,568 Images: 124	You still didn't answer where they will go. And why should be the Mustang be put on a pedastal above other horses? Why are they more important than my horse? __________________ In the quiet light of the stable, you hear a muffled snort, the stamp of a hoof, a friendly nicker. Gentle eyes inquire, "How was your day old friend?" and suddenly, all your troubles fade away. -Author Unknown

01-10-2006, 10:10 AM	#19
Shotgun93 Senior Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Southwest SD Posts: 13,568 Images: 124	Yes, it was done for centuries. Before our popluation rose. In 40 years our population went from 3 billion to 6 billion. Sure, it would be nice for everyone to be able to have their 40 acre plot and raise fruit and veggies, a few cows, pigs and sheep. Eat their own meat and spin their own sweaters. If you can find the land to do that, let me know. Every one of those websites targets the workers that work in plants, labeling them as abusers and animal haters. But, in my area, 95% of the people that work in confinement systems, feed lots and slaughter houses are farmers that couldn't make it running the kind of operation you would like to see. We can blame the man for creating the money system that drives their business, but to say that all the people that work here are vicious people is not fair. And, the average Joe cannot create enough food to feed people, so even if they could afford the land, it would still leave empty shelves and hungry people. __________________ In the quiet light of the stable, you hear a muffled snort, the stamp of a hoof, a friendly nicker. Gentle eyes inquire, "How was your day old friend?" and suddenly, all your troubles fade away. -Author Unknown

01-10-2006, 09:44 AM	#13
MyBabyTex Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 3,194 Images: 66	Just wanted everyone to see that the problem not only lies in horse slaughter but the slaughter of all table bound animals Whether you think the photos and videos are 'real' or not does not change the fact that millions of animals every year are kept in inhumane and unsanitary conditions. The facts are that all slaughterhouses are not regulated as they should be. Here is an article taken from The Washington Post. It goes into details that are facts. So please read this, no matter what your stance. And please read the whole thing from top to bottom. It is very informative. http://www.hfa.org/hot_topic/wash_post.html Oh and Lou... I know you are from a different country so maybe you guys are much better at this sort of thing.

01-10-2006, 09:50 AM	#14
MyBabyTex Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 3,194 Images: 66	Oh and Shotgun I knew that response was going to come as well. We don't have the land. We do have the land, but like you said it is too expensive for the everyday farmer to afford. That is the problem. If every average joe was given affordable land to graze cattle, pigs and poultry on, well there wouldn't be such a need for these huge corporate plants right? Well that's not profitable for the man, is it? That is the problem. That farmers can't afford to raise the number of animals they used to. Why do you think that is? Because there is more of a profit to turn in keeping animals in cages, feeding them constantly to insure a good fat market weight and never letting them see the light of day. It would cost money to get workers to bring the animals outside in turnouts. It would cost money to let these animals be animals. And I don't see who is ridiculing the people who are trying to feed the country???? I don't see farmers and these corporate plant people in the same light. But that is just me. You can feed a country and do it humanely. It was done for centuries.

01-10-2006, 09:55 AM	#16
MyBabyTex Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 3,194 Images: 66	This thread is not about the mustangs. I believe there is a thread open concerning the mustangs, feel free to post in there. Thank you.