Not Your Typical Ending Slaughter Thread

Equine_Harmony · 02-05-2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by shell

No, I was just lightning the mood. I threaten to start eating it when my horses are bad though.

Oh thank God *laughing* It is good of you to try to lighten up this thread.
Reading all in others out looks is an education, I for one really need to hear others out looks and facts, that I can look into.

arabgirl15 · 02-05-2006, 06:49 PM

Peta. Peta, Peta, Peta. Oh gosh. I watched the videos. I don't believe any of it.

Wow, if you drink milk, you are a calf killer. I'm a calf killer. Shoot me.

Equine_Harmony · 02-05-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by arabgirl15

Peta. Peta, Peta, Peta. Oh gosh. I watched the videos. I don't believe any of it.

Wow, if you drink milk, you are a calf killer. I'm a calf killer. Shoot me.

I just posted videos, and they are now gone for they are not PG 13
I drink milk. I am not into the peta organazation for the fact they are extreamists...As for the footage? in my opioin it is real, though not all animals are treated like this and so on...
I posted a video link re: the humane sociaty, Ok all are gone and with good reasons I was told by a moderator on here.

Tammy

lpalomino · 02-05-2006, 07:45 PM

If it were not for the corp. confinement farms these days many of us could not afford to purchase meat. Have you price organic products lately. A bit too expensive for me.
The animal rights sights and video's are propaganda. Designed to whip us up into a fuming mass. They are full of hooey.
As a hunter I have killed many animals and after death occures there is movement still. This does not mean the animal is still alive it just means the muscles are contracting.
I believe that slaughter is nec. for all livestock. There comes a time for livestock to die and they might as well serve anther good purpose. I would like to see more slaughter plants thruout our country so that the animals did not have to travel so far. This would alleviate many problems in itself.
As for trying to greatly reduce the horse population. The fact that there are so many horses available is the reason many of us can afford to purchase a horse. A good number of us can maintain the needs of a horse or two but cannot justify spending thousands of dollars on one. My filly cost me $300.00. She was the product of some backyard breeder.
So give all that a thought.

SalemsMom · 02-06-2006, 06:56 AM

Sandra, you gave an excellent point. If all the slaughter is stopped for all horses here in the USA. They will go on ships to other countries, and believe me, they won't care how those horses are treated. I would like to have a vet, at all horse slaughters, to see if that animal is sound, and if they are, they are excempt, from the slaughter, take out the ones, that are either down right mean, and can't be tamed, the crippled, that suffer, the ones that are going to die anyhow, better to get thier suffering over with, but save the ones that can be rehabilitaded, the ones that no fault of thier own, end up going to slaughter, and are sound to ride. Maybe that way, horses won't drop to a all time low, where people won't have to give thier horses away, or starve them because no one wants them anymore, or sell good horses to slaughter, because they can't keep them, but no one wants them!

Horsefeathers3 · 02-06-2006, 04:06 PM

OK, I will just give a brief outlook on the subject, and this is just my opinion!
As much as I detest slaughter, it will never be stopped, and I don't think it should be. I agree with SalemsMom 100%.
I think people should not be trying to stop slaughter, just trying to work together to make the conditions better for those horses going there. It is not the fact that horses are slaughtered that hurts me, it is seeing the way they are treated and seeing how the process is done that makes me sick.

Equine_Harmony · 02-06-2006, 06:01 PM

Hello,

If all horse slaughter was no longer able to run here in the USA there would be no horses being shipped out abroad for human consumption, someone stated that they would be for the plants have their own ship's, yet a horse is not a drug, it if very clear what he is and can't be covered up, plus trust this there will be activist's watching every move... From what I seen and heard horses are not treated good, the chutes are not built for a horse they have long necks, they are hyper sensitive, smell the fear and blood of there own kind, they are not a docile animal when it comes to stress activation mechanism. not to mention most were pets, some horses the people sold them, some they could not handle them, some are stolen I could go on and on, but that won't go anywhere.

I feel that people should do what they feel, if it is for or against the slaughter of the horse, and they are. I don't feel horse slaughter will die here in the USA anytime soon, yet it will die. I feel other countries will slaughter horses, they are doing so right now, yet this is the USA, my your countries, therefore I can't get into other countries politics nor tell them what to do in their own countries.

The horse to me and many is a symbol of movement here in America, a treasure animal and should be protected under law. There was a time frame when horse slaughter was not active and all went OK...

A lot of people will be silent and for a reason, then be active, yet I will state my opinions as everyone else does and I do read the post more carefully when a person is stating reasons why this should be done and the ways they feel if this was done then they would agree no horses should be slaughtered, I have learned a lot since coming to this site on others out looks and have grown on this complicated issue that hurts everyone, for no horse lover really wants to see a horse go to slaughter.

ON: the cows, chickens, sheep...I am a vegetarian, my reasons were personal, have nothing to do with PETA, I have watched their video footage and what was shown was awful, I don't feel this happens every where what I seen, what I read, though videos, don't lie and I can not get into the video footage as it contains graphic and to state what I seen is no better. I have posted the humane society videos too they are not PEATA. I have seen footage from the thread starter here too, now gone for she had good reasons to do so...

I am not here to change anyones minds and respect those who hold the opposite of mine. edited for spelling and to add something

Super Step · 02-06-2006, 07:39 PM

I do not believe the horses would have to be smuggled out of the country.
I believe they will just be loaded up and sent.
How can anyone prove they are intended for slaughter?
The activist can object all they want. The horses are alive, not being slaughtered in the U.S.
The only government control is over transportation and slaughter, not live animals once they are loaded into foreign vessels.

There were animal rights people protesting the circus in town last week. People still lined up to pay $60 per head to get in. The protesters were completely ignored and gained nothing positive for their cause.

Even if a group could prove intent, which would be hard when the person loading horses looks at you blankly and says "No English", the US has no regulation on the processes of other countries. The animals will not be processed until later.
We may well suspect what the horses future is, but I doubt the buyers will open any doors the way they must now.
Kind of sad really. At least here we do have some input on conditions and USDA inspections inside our borders.
The horses could well be the ones to lose in this battle.
The best way to end slaughter is still to out bid the competition.

SaddleHappy · 02-06-2006, 08:00 PM

This is the thread that never ends..... (singing)
It just goes on and on my friend.....
Some people started posting it not knowing what it was...
And they'll continue posting it forever just because....

Aztecnitemare · 02-06-2006, 08:03 PM

LOL Sorry I'm not trying to be rude but shipping horses out of the country???? Other than going to Canada or Mexico, which right now is VERY expensive as far as fuel goes. Its too darned expansive to ship horses out of the country. Besides that they have at least a three month wait before they can legally enter most countries.

Most of my family lives in other countries. All but two of my cousins do. They don't count because their both trouble makers who are sitting in prison. I have family in Britain, Ireland, Australia and Denmark. They are very worried about getting some of the viruses we have here there.

02-05-2006, 06:49 PM	#112
arabgirl15 Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: SW Minnesota Posts: 3,224 Images: 69 Blog Entries: 16	Peta. Peta, Peta, Peta. Oh gosh. I watched the videos. I don't believe any of it. Wow, if you drink milk, you are a calf killer. I'm a calf killer. Shoot me. __________________ Monica To be believed, make the truth unbelievable. Napoleon Bonaparte

02-06-2006, 04:06 PM	#116
Horsefeathers3 Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 2,165 Images: 51	OK, I will just give a brief outlook on the subject, and this is just my opinion! As much as I detest slaughter, it will never be stopped, and I don't think it should be. I agree with SalemsMom 100%. I think people should not be trying to stop slaughter, just trying to work together to make the conditions better for those horses going there. It is not the fact that horses are slaughtered that hurts me, it is seeing the way they are treated and seeing how the process is done that makes me sick. __________________ -Chelsea Secretary of the Player Fan Club

02-06-2006, 06:01 PM	#117
Equine_Harmony Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In a horses mind Posts: 832 Images: 11	Hello, If all horse slaughter was no longer able to run here in the USA there would be no horses being shipped out abroad for human consumption, someone stated that they would be for the plants have their own ship's, yet a horse is not a drug, it if very clear what he is and can't be covered up, plus trust this there will be activist's watching every move... From what I seen and heard horses are not treated good, the chutes are not built for a horse they have long necks, they are hyper sensitive, smell the fear and blood of there own kind, they are not a docile animal when it comes to stress activation mechanism. not to mention most were pets, some horses the people sold them, some they could not handle them, some are stolen I could go on and on, but that won't go anywhere. I feel that people should do what they feel, if it is for or against the slaughter of the horse, and they are. I don't feel horse slaughter will die here in the USA anytime soon, yet it will die. I feel other countries will slaughter horses, they are doing so right now, yet this is the USA, my your countries, therefore I can't get into other countries politics nor tell them what to do in their own countries. The horse to me and many is a symbol of movement here in America, a treasure animal and should be protected under law. There was a time frame when horse slaughter was not active and all went OK... A lot of people will be silent and for a reason, then be active, yet I will state my opinions as everyone else does and I do read the post more carefully when a person is stating reasons why this should be done and the ways they feel if this was done then they would agree no horses should be slaughtered, I have learned a lot since coming to this site on others out looks and have grown on this complicated issue that hurts everyone, for no horse lover really wants to see a horse go to slaughter. ON: the cows, chickens, sheep...I am a vegetarian, my reasons were personal, have nothing to do with PETA, I have watched their video footage and what was shown was awful, I don't feel this happens every where what I seen, what I read, though videos, don't lie and I can not get into the video footage as it contains graphic and to state what I seen is no better. I have posted the humane society videos too they are not PEATA. I have seen footage from the thread starter here too, now gone for she had good reasons to do so... I am not here to change anyones minds and respect those who hold the opposite of mine. edited for spelling and to add something Last edited by Equine_Harmony; 02-06-2006 at 06:29 PM.

02-06-2006, 07:39 PM	#118
Super Step Senior Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Alabama Posts: 10,702 Images: 225 Blog Entries: 51	I do not believe the horses would have to be smuggled out of the country. I believe they will just be loaded up and sent. How can anyone prove they are intended for slaughter? The activist can object all they want. The horses are alive, not being slaughtered in the U.S. The only government control is over transportation and slaughter, not live animals once they are loaded into foreign vessels. There were animal rights people protesting the circus in town last week. People still lined up to pay $60 per head to get in. The protesters were completely ignored and gained nothing positive for their cause. Even if a group could prove intent, which would be hard when the person loading horses looks at you blankly and says "No English", the US has no regulation on the processes of other countries. The animals will not be processed until later. We may well suspect what the horses future is, but I doubt the buyers will open any doors the way they must now. Kind of sad really. At least here we do have some input on conditions and USDA inspections inside our borders. The horses could well be the ones to lose in this battle. The best way to end slaughter is still to out bid the competition. __________________ Develop patience or become one. Tim

02-05-2006, 07:45 PM	#114
lpalomino Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 139	If it were not for the corp. confinement farms these days many of us could not afford to purchase meat. Have you price organic products lately. A bit too expensive for me. The animal rights sights and video's are propaganda. Designed to whip us up into a fuming mass. They are full of hooey. As a hunter I have killed many animals and after death occures there is movement still. This does not mean the animal is still alive it just means the muscles are contracting. I believe that slaughter is nec. for all livestock. There comes a time for livestock to die and they might as well serve anther good purpose. I would like to see more slaughter plants thruout our country so that the animals did not have to travel so far. This would alleviate many problems in itself. As for trying to greatly reduce the horse population. The fact that there are so many horses available is the reason many of us can afford to purchase a horse. A good number of us can maintain the needs of a horse or two but cannot justify spending thousands of dollars on one. My filly cost me $300.00. She was the product of some backyard breeder. So give all that a thought.

02-06-2006, 06:56 AM	#115
SalemsMom Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,780 Images: 6	Sandra, you gave an excellent point. If all the slaughter is stopped for all horses here in the USA. They will go on ships to other countries, and believe me, they won't care how those horses are treated. I would like to have a vet, at all horse slaughters, to see if that animal is sound, and if they are, they are excempt, from the slaughter, take out the ones, that are either down right mean, and can't be tamed, the crippled, that suffer, the ones that are going to die anyhow, better to get thier suffering over with, but save the ones that can be rehabilitaded, the ones that no fault of thier own, end up going to slaughter, and are sound to ride. Maybe that way, horses won't drop to a all time low, where people won't have to give thier horses away, or starve them because no one wants them anymore, or sell good horses to slaughter, because they can't keep them, but no one wants them!

02-06-2006, 08:00 PM	#119
SaddleHappy Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: GA Posts: 1,021 Images: 41	This is the thread that never ends..... (singing) It just goes on and on my friend..... Some people started posting it not knowing what it was... And they'll continue posting it forever just because....

02-06-2006, 08:03 PM	#120
Aztecnitemare Full Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 54 Images: 2	LOL Sorry I'm not trying to be rude but shipping horses out of the country???? Other than going to Canada or Mexico, which right now is VERY expensive as far as fuel goes. Its too darned expansive to ship horses out of the country. Besides that they have at least a three month wait before they can legally enter most countries. Most of my family lives in other countries. All but two of my cousins do. They don't count because their both trouble makers who are sitting in prison. I have family in Britain, Ireland, Australia and Denmark. They are very worried about getting some of the viruses we have here there.