[Haas Horse Farm]

DD Is double dilute as in cremello, perlino or smoky cream... also too much white is the old AQHA rules...that would have made the horse breeding stock paint.

[Ginger_Nell]

Can a grey be reg. with them?

[mtgirl]

So why do peple register with the NFQHA?

Do they have better markatable foals? Or is it just to say that their horses is NFQHA?

[Haas Horse Farm]

Because NFQHA does not tell you that up front... you do not learn the truth until it is too late. I made the mistake and have a lifetime membership...

[mtgirl]

Haas, I am not sure if you have any impressive lines or not, but this sounds like you can register them NFQHA, maybe your membership won't be wasted, LOL!

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NFQHA Certification
Requirements

In order to qualify for National Foundation Certification with NFQHA the following requirements must be met:

1) A horse must be registered with the American Quarter Horse Association (AQHA).


2) An NFQHA Research/Certification application must be filled out and submitted to NFQHA, together with the appropriate research/certification fee.


3) A copy, front and back, of the horse’s AQHA Registration Certificate (and if leased, a copy of the AQHA Lease Authorization Form), must accompany the NFQHA Certification application.


4) The current Owner or Lessee shown on the AQHA Registration Certificate or AQHA Lease Authorization Form, must coincide with the NFQHA member submitting the Certification application. The name need not be identical, but it must be obvious that it is the same person, persons, or entity.


5) The horse must qualify under the current NFQHA Quarter Horse percentage Certification requirements. As of January 1st, 1997, the minimum required Quarter Horse blood per NFQHA criteria is 80%. No more than 20% Thoroughbred blood is allowed in order to qualify for Certification in NFQHA.


6) Horses with Impressive in their pedigree must submit lab results with their application showing that they are HYPP N/N.

NOTE: Not disclosing descent from Impressive will

result in cancellation of the NFQHA certificate and possible suspension of the owner. Beginning 01/01/05 all horses descended from Impressive must have

HYPP N/N printed on their AQHA registration papers.


7) Horses must be one of the following colors: Sorrel, Black, Bay, Brown, Grullo, Dun, Red Dun, Chesnut, Red Roan, Blue Roan, Bay Roan, Gray, Palomino, or Buckskin. Horses possessing all three characteristics of pink skin, blue eyes, and white or creme colored coat are not acceptable.


8) White Markings: A horse may not have any white markings above the middle of the knee or point of hock, nor beyond an imaginary line drawn from the bottom outside edge of each ear, then to the outside bottom edge of the opposite ear, then to the corners of horse’s mouth, and from there under the chin. Horse may not exhibit any belly spots or any white spots with underlying pink skin other than on face or lower legs such that it cannot be completely covered with a disk one inch in diameter. Horses certified prior to 10/15/03 with noncomplying white markings ARE grandfathered in, BUT their offspring must comply.

9) Note: Beginning January 1, 2005 NFQHA will no longer accept horses for certification that have two NFQHA certified parents but do not meet the 80% requirement due to the NFQHA percentage change to 80% in 1997.

[Haas Horse Farm]

Okay sorry I guess they did fix that, I stand corrected... I just cannot understand why they feel that white makes or breaks a QH. That alone is reason enough for me to not spend another dime with them. Also if you read their rules they do not say anything about not accepting a double dilute horse but they sure do and they will not explain why.

[Ginger_Nell]

Originally Posted by mtgirl

So why do peple register with the NFQHA?

Do they have better markatable foals? Or is it just to say that their horses is NFQHA?

Does anyone know the answer to this?

[RiddleMeThis]

Actually Haas on number 7 it does

Horses possessing all three characteristics of pink skin, blue eyes, and white or creme colored coat are not acceptable.

[County]

None of the foundation groups ever took off at all I think for a few reasons. They just could never work together at all to form a national asso. which IMO would have helped a great deal. I called the heads of each group to see which I thought would be the best to join and wasn't impressed with any. Not one ever said even once was was good or right with their group everyone of them only went on and on what was wrong with the others.

Each group allowed certain TB's not counted against them and each group didn't like certain QH's. It was pretty much a private little clique with all of them. They loved to go on and on about Doc Bar and Three Bars causing lots of problems. Of course when it was proven Poco bueno was the root of the Herda problem they ignored it and said it was a lie.

Once the AQHA came up with their Ranch Versitlity class I think the foundation groups were all but dead.

[Haas Horse Farm]

RMT I am glad to see that they have fixed that. I was speaking in general with many of the foundation groups... they do not tell you all of that up front. I know that there is one group that gives breeding stock papers. If it would not be a waste of my money I would be tempted to send in the papers on my gold champagne mare... LOL Her eyes are not blue!!!!

Really that is interesting Country... you have never called and spoke to me or my husband. We treat all TB's the same and all AQHA bred horses the same. AQHA Ranch Versatility has never been a big seller nationally and many who want to compete do not rope. ALL horse shows are not having the numbers they once had to show... it is a sign of times.

Having a horse foundation registered with any group just means that... you have a percentage according to that group. A group of us got together a formed the FFQH to meet the needs of horse owners when we could see that WFQHA would never survive the short sightedness and greed of the founder. Many of us had spent many years getting that group going and having great fun at horse shows. They are the reason that the American Ranch Horse Association was formed. Some of us did not want to go there as it did not recognize just AQHA/APHA horses, but also colored non breed horses. We wanted to have the pedigree to go with the points. That is what formed the birth of FFQH.
My information is a few years old but I do not that there is one group and ONLY one foundation group that will take any and every foundation registered horse... FFQH. The indecisiveness and failure of the other groups to get along was a factor in there not being a national AQHA division for foundation. We have set ours up so that anyone with a foundation registered horse may be in our data base. We do not discriminate on which group your horse has papers with. We want to have a national data base. We also have horses in Australia listed in there own data base.

My question for those with foundation papered horses when people ask me does it matter... I ask what else can your horses do? Is it just a percentage or is the horse really broke to ride? Foundation percentages can be a marketing tool but it is just like anything else... the bottom line always goes back to the horse. What else is the horse besides a percentage? Has it been rode, shown, what has it's sire and dam done, it is horse with perfect confirmation, etc?