[Equine_Harmony]

Originally Posted by cowgurly02

Not allowed to talk about rep points...I see a thread closing....

Hello and how have you've been I did not know this was a rule, thank you for the information.

[*Psylocke*]

ummm false info was being pointed out. No one turned it into a debate at all, one person mentioned the false info and then the "pro slaughter" comment came in.

Anyways do your sign up, I didnt want to post and wouldnt have except the point seemed to be lost. Someone might want to redo the info section on that website and make it accurate.

Psy

[sazzle]

I think the problem is the total inaccuracy of the site. She needs to get her facts straight and get some proper information rather than rubbish from activist sites (and stop breaking the law by hotlinking) before trying to get people to sign up for something.

[luvs2ride79]

Her information page is correct except for the part about the Mallet. The horses are hit with a captive bolt gun in the head, kind of like a spike on a leash. It is supposed to render the horse unconscious, then it is hung by a back leg, throat slit, and bled out while the heart is still weakly beating. 5% of horses butchered (or more) are not properly stunned and are bled out while in some state of consciousness. That means nearly 5,000 horses were killed in the USA while still awake last year. This is based on USDA reports!

Her statistics are correct, though I would post the number by year instead of by week. It's a b it confusing that way.

I run http://www.hr857.com which is a non-emotional, fact driven site about the state of horse slaughter in the USA and current legislation to end it. All information is based on verifiable facts and statistics, I even cite my sources for most of it Show me a pro-slaughter site that uses ACTUAL statistics and facts with verifiable sources, HA! You can't. There aren't any.

~Barbara

[ItsAThought]

Hey! Cool site! I'll join soon.

But to make you site a bit more "professional", you can copy and paste this into it. Its a proof-read and corrected version of what you have on the front page! That way it make you sound a bit more "adultish" lol

Welcome to Horse Slaughter Alliance's home page. At HAS, everyone that is against horse slaughter and that difference can join. This is sort of like a club but for the benefit of horses, and just a cheaper version. Horse slaughter is a huge problem in the United States. With this website we will get people from everywhere to get together. I will send out a monthly newsletter to all members containing any horse slaughter news articles, bills passing, and anything along those lines. If you do not wish to get one, please inform me after your first issue. Thanks

If you would like to join HSA please send me an email at horseslaughteralliance@yahoo.com, giving me your name, email, and what state you live in. If you would not like to disclose this information that is fine and I will just need your first name and email. The state that you live in is to inform others of what state legislature you live under. If you have any other questions please email me.

Hi my name is Lauren, I am 15 years old and I live in Aurora Colorado. I was enrolled in a civic class in my high school. We had to make bills for a mock senate we did in my class. For my bill, I did to “Ban Horse Slaughter for Human Consumption”. I will probably be going down to the state capital during Labor Day in Feb with my mom. I will be bringing most likely a few bills on horse slaughter to present there. One of the Colorado representatives of Colorado in the house is Morgan Carroll. One of Rep. Carroll's hobbies is horseback riding. She would be one of the representatives that would be for a bill such as this. I will present bills to her if I am able to go. If you would like to get your word out on any thing or try to make a bill, you can email me at horseslaughteralliance@yahoo.com. I will surely bring your bill, and if I can present it to the representative I will inform you. Thanks.

[Lou3]

Originally Posted by luvs2ride79

Her information page is correct except for the part about the Mallet. The horses are hit with a captive bolt gun in the head, kind of like a spike on a leash. It is supposed to render the horse unconscious, then it is hung by a back leg, throat slit, and bled out while the heart is still weakly beating. 5% of horses butchered (or more) are not properly stunned and are bled out while in some state of consciousness. That means nearly 5,000 horses were killed in the USA while still awake last year. This is based on USDA reports!

Her statistics are correct, though I would post the number by year instead of by week. It's a b it confusing that way.

I run http://www.hr857.com which is a non-emotional, fact driven site about the state of horse slaughter in the USA and current legislation to end it. All information is based on verifiable facts and statistics, I even cite my sources for most of it Show me a pro-slaughter site that uses ACTUAL statistics and facts with verifiable sources, HA! You can't. There aren't any.

~Barbara

Actually this part of your information is totally wrong - slaughter is in fact extremely humane. Horses thrash about no more than any other animal and in fact the reason captive bolts are used is because they have such a huge caliber that they cause massive damage which will stun the horse even if the exact target spot is missed. The captive bolt is much more likely to be a humane shot than a simple bullet. Most studies agree that less than 1% are not fully stunned first shot. Any horse not totally stunned first shot is shot a second time (very quickly) reducing the number of horses actually slaughtered with any feeling whatsover to virtually nil. The number slaughtered fully alive is zero, as there is no way they would put a horse through unless it had at least one shot through its brain - which with a captive bolt is practically garunteed to have stunned the animal regardless of the angle at which it is hit.

The slaughter itself is also inhumane. The chutes that hold the horses are made for cows. Horses are much more flexible with longer necks. They are also more intuitive than cows and have a skittish nature in stressful unfamiliar environments. They thrash about making the captive bolt operator's job very difficult. The operator often has to stun a horse 3-4 times before rendering the horse unconscious. Sometimes the horse is slaughtered while still alive. USDA considers a 95% rate of unconsciousness before being butchered very acceptable. That means that 3,300 horses (at best) were slaughtered last year while they were still fully alive. The captive bolt gun is used to stun the horses. It's like a spike on a leash. It is shot into the horse's head and then retracts back in to the gun. It can be a humane method of a killing a horse (much like a well placed bullet), but the assembly line fashion that these horses are run through makes it nearly impossible

[Serendipity Zip]

To us, its inhumane, just because you don't agree doesn't make us wrong nor does it make us right. but just because she uses the terms "inhumane" doesn't make her wrong because your opinion isnt the same.

The real problem isnt always with the death, "Slaughter horses" are brutally handled. They are forced onto trucks (including inhumane double-decker cattle trailers- illegal in some states), and are often shipped hundreds of miles, sometimes for over 30 hours, without food, water or rest. Arriving at the slaughterhouses, they are driven out (sometimes dragged). There is an extreme sense of anticipation in these very sensitive creatures before there death. I've watched the bolt gun hit horses in the head and they are still concious. I've seen a man miss so bad he ended up hitting the horse in the shoulder, causing serious pain and damage.

Even people who SUPPORT slaughter, like some humane associations, and vets, agree its inhumane. They just want to see it be more humane.

[UsaHrsRidr2000]

Originally Posted by Lou3

Actually this part of your information is totally wrong - slaughter is in fact extremely humane. Horses thrash about no more than any other animal and in fact the reason captive bolts are used is because they have such a huge caliber that they cause massive damage which will stun the horse even if the exact target spot is missed. The captive bolt is much more likely to be a humane shot than a simple bullet. Most studies agree that less than 1% are not fully stunned first shot. Any horse not totally stunned first shot is shot a second time (very quickly) reducing the number of horses actually slaughtered with any feeling whatsover to virtually nil. The number slaughtered fully alive is zero, as there is no way they would put a horse through unless it had at least one shot through its brain - which with a captive bolt is practically garunteed to have stunned the animal regardless of the angle at which it is hit.

The slaughter itself is also inhumane. The chutes that hold the horses are made for cows. Horses are much more flexible with longer necks. They are also more intuitive than cows and have a skittish nature in stressful unfamiliar environments. They thrash about making the captive bolt operator's job very difficult. The operator often has to stun a horse 3-4 times before rendering the horse unconscious. Sometimes the horse is slaughtered while still alive. USDA considers a 95% rate of unconsciousness before being butchered very acceptable. That means that 3,300 horses (at best) were slaughtered last year while they were still fully alive. The captive bolt gun is used to stun the horses. It's like a spike on a leash. It is shot into the horse's head and then retracts back in to the gun. It can be a humane method of a killing a horse (much like a well placed bullet), but the assembly line fashion that these horses are run through makes it nearly impossible

NOt to be rude or anything Lou, but you live in Scottland, maybe the laws there are different from the ones here in the United States. I would greatly appreciate it if you would kindly state your opinon, but not be rude to anyone thanks.

[Super Step]

Originally Posted by UsaHrsRidr2000

NOt to be rude or anything Lou, but you live in Scottland, maybe the laws there are different from the ones here in the United States. I would greatly appreciate it if you would kindly state your opinon, but not be rude to anyone thanks.

I have read Lou's post 3 times and am yet to find the rude comments refered to.
Please help me out here?

[Serendipity Zip]

Maybe the whole, "this part of your information is totally wrong" is rude in her opinion. I dunno.