New filly, can you tell her pattern

KiereeAngel86 · 05-07-2008, 06:34 AM

I don't know if she gaits but she has the most beautiful springy trot.

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Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

ooh you mean a Pintabian! How cool. Does she gait?

JBandRio · 05-07-2008, 08:37 AM

I'd love to see her tested for Tobiano and Frame.

IMHO, she could be a minimal Tobi where the Frame has pushed the white off her legs. I also strongly believe that it has to be Tobi because of the white coming into the mane.

Her face is definitely Splash, and the white leg is most likely Splash as well, but there might be Sabino influence, no way to know for sure.

accphotography · 05-07-2008, 11:42 AM

I see NO SIGN whatsoever of tobiano on this foal. I also don't see anything saying gray. I see black, frame and splash (+ or - sabino).

ACC

Paxo · 05-07-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JBandRio

I'd love to see her tested for Tobiano and Frame.

IMHO, she could be a minimal Tobi where the Frame has pushed the white off her legs. I also strongly believe that it has to be Tobi because of the white coming into the mane.

Her face is definitely Splash, and the white leg is most likely Splash as well, but there might be Sabino influence, no way to know for sure.

tons and tons of overo only horses have white into the mane and over the back.

vmarsfreak · 05-07-2008, 12:41 PM

Isnt it only overo if the white crosses across the back anywhere past the whithers? that's the way it was taught to me...I'm probably wrong though...

BTW, beautiful filly!!

accphotography · 05-07-2008, 01:22 PM

Just the opposite Vmars. Tobiano crosses the back, overo, as a rule, does not. Of course BOTH break the rules sometimes.

Paxo: JB knows that, but she feels it is not frame doing it, but splash or sabino or some combination... just not frame by itself.

ACC

Paxo · 05-07-2008, 01:36 PM

Just the odds of 3 solid legs on a tobiano would be very remote however. not impossible only ever seen it in a mini horse, but slim chance in a full size.IMO

mustang_dodger · 05-07-2008, 05:46 PM

cute looking filly

JBandRio · 05-07-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by accphotography

Paxo: JB knows that, but she feels it is not frame doing it, but splash or sabino or some combination... just not frame by itself.

ACC

Yep, exactly. I know some disagree, and we'll never know until there are tests for everything and enough horses can be studied that only have 1 pattern, but I strongly feel that frame-only will not have any white crossing the center line (which also means no face white on the front of the head).

ryu's explanation of how white migrates gives very strong credence to this.

JBandRio · 05-07-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by accphotography

Just the opposite Vmars. Tobiano crosses the back, overo, as a rule, does not. Of course BOTH break the rules sometimes.

Forgot this part - just to add more info in case anyone was wondering - Sabino is not an Overo form, so Sabino can indeed have white cross the center line - not uncommon at all in a "wild" Sabino, and certainly is the case in a max white sabino.

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05-07-2008, 08:37 AM	#22
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 18,560	I'd love to see her tested for Tobiano and Frame. IMHO, she could be a minimal Tobi where the Frame has pushed the white off her legs. I also strongly believe that it has to be Tobi because of the white coming into the mane. Her face is definitely Splash, and the white leg is most likely Splash as well, but there might be Sabino influence, no way to know for sure.

05-07-2008, 11:42 AM	#23
accphotography Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 2,120	I see NO SIGN whatsoever of tobiano on this foal. I also don't see anything saying gray. I see black, frame and splash (+ or - sabino). ACC

05-07-2008, 12:41 PM	#25
vmarsfreak Full Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Canton, GA Posts: 65	Isnt it only overo if the white crosses across the back anywhere past the whithers? that's the way it was taught to me...I'm probably wrong though... BTW, beautiful filly!!

05-07-2008, 01:22 PM	#26
accphotography Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 2,120	Just the opposite Vmars. Tobiano crosses the back, overo, as a rule, does not. Of course BOTH break the rules sometimes. Paxo: JB knows that, but she feels it is not frame doing it, but splash or sabino or some combination... just not frame by itself. ACC

05-07-2008, 01:36 PM	#27
Paxo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 191	Just the odds of 3 solid legs on a tobiano would be very remote however. not impossible only ever seen it in a mini horse, but slim chance in a full size.IMO

05-07-2008, 05:46 PM	#28
mustang_dodger Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Illinios Posts: 13,719	cute looking filly