[shepherd406]

Originally Posted by cowgirlkayt

Yah i used the stop back and walk one, when i first started with her i did a clinic with her we had did the pattern a bit before that but not much. But it was only two days and ive been trying to do the rest on my own. I finally just got a trailer a few weeks ago. So im going to start trailering to my friends indoor riding arena to practice with her she runs pretty heavy and do some more clinic but i was hoping to maybe get maybe a few good drills to practice before hand to do. I think our biggest problem is that is her bad side and i need to work her more on that. But im also going to start trying to do some roll backs and stuff too and setting up the barrels in other patterns just to get her working on going around them no matter where there set up. I remember a few of the patterns and drills i was taught just need more pilons for it lol!

Go back to it. At the trot. Trot to the barrel, stop where you want her to put her butt down, then back her a few steps, then walk around & push her off right where you want her to pick back up. Remember to always go left after that last barrel & walk on the rail. Try that for awhile & then pick up the canter. See if that helps her get her butt down & turn. Don't forget to give her a word for when she needs to get down. That's how we doo ours & it works really well.

[IIIBarsV]

Secondary thought:

Can you as a rider tell when your horse is on the correct hind lead? Would you be able to feel it if the horse started crossfiring?

A lot of wide turns can be caused by crossfiring in the hind end.

Crossfiring is often caused by:

- the rider using too much inside hand

- The rider not using enough outside leg support

- Turning too tightly than the horse can handle turning (loss of balance)

- Rider leans weight too much into the turn (horse loses balance)

Practicing two-handed "outside leg push turns" and circles will help this one. If you don't know if it's happening, have a friend or family member take a video of you riding, and watch the horse's legs carefully. The inside foreleg and inside hind leg should be more forward during turns (aka correct lead). If the outside hind leg is moving more forward than the inside hind leg, or the hind legs appear to be "equal", then you have a crossfire.

Crossfiring is one of those things that you need to nip in the bud immediately. It can be very damaging to the horse's hocks and stifles, as well as cost you seconds.

[cowgirlkayt]

Originally Posted by IIIBarsV

Secondary thought:

Can you as a rider tell when your horse is on the correct hind lead? Would you be able to feel it if the horse started crossfiring?

A lot of wide turns can be caused by crossfiring in the hind end.

Crossfiring is often caused by:

- the rider using too much inside hand

- The rider not using enough outside leg support

- Turning too tightly than the horse can handle turning (loss of balance)

- Rider leans weight too much into the turn (horse loses balance)

Practicing two-handed "outside leg push turns" and circles will help this one. If you don't know if it's happening, have a friend or family member take a video of you riding, and watch the horse's legs carefully. The inside foreleg and inside hind leg should be more forward during turns (aka correct lead). If the outside hind leg is moving more forward than the inside hind leg, or the hind legs appear to be "equal", then you have a crossfire.

Crossfiring is one of those things that you need to nip in the bud immediately. It can be very damaging to the horse's hocks and stifles, as well as cost you seconds.

Okay should i run the pattern and video tape it and see if she does it or just do small circles and video tape that??? i will look into this also and see if she maybe is infact on the wrong lead in the back end. My biggest thing that i think im going to concentrate on is getting her working on that lead and that direction alot more since it is her weaker side. Lots of circles and going back to some slow work and trying some different drills hopefully this will all help. Ill let you guys know in a couple weeks if things are improving. Thanks for the tips guys ill try my best to remember everything everyone said and try them all!

[IIIBarsV]

My sis and I video evvveeeeerything. It's SO handy for solving problems, fixing angles, and seeing what you're doing or what the horse is doing. I also use it for studying movement, hoof impact, etc.

It's like a big deal if we forget the video camera at a show. BIG deal.