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Old 12-16-2005, 05:58 AM   #11
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Diva's dad is also her grandsire:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/banks+a+lot

It's not really a big issue unless it starts to happen often.
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Actually, a lot of QH breeds are thought to be worth more if they are double or triple bred. It does lead to some genetic issues, like HYPP, but it can also be good because they breed specifically for certain traits, so the better traits show up in the offspring.
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Old 12-16-2005, 06:16 AM   #13
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Actually, a lot of QH breeds are thought to be worth more if they are double or triple bred. It does lead to some genetic issues, like HYPP, but it can also be good because they breed specifically for certain traits, so the better traits show up in the offspring.
Really? Around here, I've always gotten the impressions that being inbred was "bad". Hrm. Interesting, might have just been the people I've been around.

I thought it was rather odd when I saw Diva's dad was also her grandsire, but I guess it isn't?
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Old 12-16-2005, 06:57 AM   #14
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Inbreeding typically refers to father/daughter or mother/son or sister/full brother breeding. Linebreeding typically refers to another generation or more removed. There are some Arab lines that have the same horse MANY times in a 5 generation pedigree.
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Regal's great, great grand-dam was bred to her own father to produce Regal's great granddam. (ewwwwww) Does inbreeding in the line make my horse inbred?
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Old 12-16-2005, 08:29 AM   #16
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I would like to state some facts on the inbreeding and line breeding subject,if I may.I take this stuff from an article i read and from talking to other horse breeders. First of all when a horse carries 50% or less blood of a common ancestor whether it be up close or not it is considered linebreeding if its any more,then its inbreeding. Yrs ago before the internet and interstate highways and cooled shipped semen breeders did alot of father to daughter,mother to son,half sister to half brother breeding.They did this to breed the best to the best and because they didn't have access to alot of different stallions.The purpose of linebreeding in a breeding program is to enhance the good genetics that it takes to make a champion, at a faster rate.The downside to this is it can and sometimes does enhance the bad traits faster as well.Two examples of breeders using the linebreeding method were Hank Weiscamp with the Skipper W lines and the King Ranch through a foundation sire named Old Sorrel.Linebreeding in the hands of someone that really knows what there doing can be a useful tool.Sometimes along the way after many yrs of linebreeding the bad traits do start to take effect this is when you breed to an unrelated line alltogether and this can produce what is called Hybrid Vigor,which was one of the things that made Three Bars so great when crossed back onto the many linebred mares he was bred to.If you take a look at one of the greatest broodmare sires in history named Leo he was Linebred to Joe Reed.
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I've got a filly who's sire is a half brother to her dam but the grand mothers are both different.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/northstar+lady+bug
And I've got a colt whos Dam was the same sire and dma were half siblings.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gypsy+britches

And I've got another filly that has several different horses that appear in the pedigree multiple times, but alot further back in the pedigree
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/annas+top+dun
Bright Eyes Brother appears Three times in different spots. Dial good appreas Twice.

Red Plaudit appears Three times, And the list goes on. Peavey Bimpg, Red dog and several others, but as you got back further, you will continue to see related lines. especially in the TB and QH lines.

And my old mare traces back to Prince plaudit twice in the first 5 generations. And other horses further back.
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I would like to state some facts on the inbreeding and line breeding subject,if I may.I take this stuff from an article i read and from talking to other horse breeders. First of all when a horse carries 50% or less blood of a common ancestor whether it be up close or not it is considered linebreeding if its any more,then its inbreeding. Yrs ago before the internet and interstate highways and cooled shipped semen breeders did alot of father to daughter,mother to son,half sister to half brother breeding.They did this to breed the best to the best and because they didn't have access to alot of different stallions.The purpose of linebreeding in a breeding program is to enhance the good genetics that it takes to make a champion, at a faster rate.The downside to this is it can and sometimes does enhance the bad traits faster as well.Two examples of breeders using the linebreeding method were Hank Weiscamp with the Skipper W lines and the King Ranch through a foundation sire named Old Sorrel.Linebreeding in the hands of someone that really knows what there doing can be a useful tool.Sometimes along the way after many yrs of linebreeding the bad traits do start to take effect this is when you breed to an unrelated line alltogether and this can produce what is called Hybrid Vigor,which was one of the things that made Three Bars so great when crossed back onto the many linebred mares he was bred to.If you take a look at one of the greatest broodmare sires in history named Leo he was Linebred to Joe Reed.
okay, so since my filly's mom was bred back to her own sire, THAT is inbreeding, correct?
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Just know that in commercial stock, it is acceptable to have 5-6% inbreeding in an animal. If you give me his full pedigree, I could figure out the percent inbreeding he is.
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If Your fillys sire is her mothers sire then yes she is inbred. She carrys 75% blood of her sire because she got 50% from her sire and 25% from her dam which got 50% from the same sire.
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