Mutrok, Top Dun, Appy people question

Appylvr · 05-13-2008, 10:13 AM

Hey guys! Someone on another forum just said this and I don't think it's true, but I don't know for sure. I knew you guys who breed and register all the time would though...

One person was asking about their solid Appy mare (out of two leopards) and breeding her to a grey QH stud and the possible colors.

I mentioned why not breed her to another Appy stud, like a few spot or snowcap so she'd be guaranteed color instead of getting a solid that might not be registerable.

Then someone else replied back that if you breed a solid mare to a solid stallion (no matter what the resulting foals colors are) it cannot be registered.

Is that true? Even if the foal somehow came out with Appy traits?

Mutrok · 05-13-2008, 10:19 AM

Depends how the mare is registered. If she is registered non-color (NC) papers then she can only be bred to a regular papered (read colored or at least characteristic) app stallion to have the offspring be registered. The only way to be registered is if the foal is a colored colt and is gelded and hardship registered. But with 2 non-colored and non-characteristic apps...chances of color are nill.

Kicks · 05-13-2008, 10:59 AM

A spayed colored/characteristic filly can also be 'hardshipped'.

Also probably depends on the registry. There are differences in the different Appaloosa registries.

Mutrok · 05-13-2008, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kicks

A spayed filly can also be 'hardshipped'.

Also probably depends on the registry.

You are correct...I didn't include that because not many people opt for that option. However, I should have included it.

My response was dealing specifically with the ApHC...should have said that

Appylvr · 05-13-2008, 03:35 PM

Thanks guys! I knew you would know... I learn something new everyday!

tazassape · 05-13-2008, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Appylvr

Thanks guys! I knew you would know... I learn something new everyday!

You doubted us on the other forum?

Top Dun · 05-13-2008, 06:03 PM

A solid NC registered mare bred to a NON appaloosa stallion cannot have a registerable foal.

A Solid NC mare MUST be bred back to a colored ApHC registered stallion in order for the foal to be registered.

And finally Breeding a grey to an appaloosa really defeats the purpose of breeding appaloosas because the color just washes away if the foal gets the grey gene. The Grey gene is frowned upon by most appaloosa breeders.

If a foal did result with traits from 2 solids the only way to register it is to have it hardship registered.

madvoice · 05-13-2008, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tazassape

You doubted us on the other forum?

Sometimes it helps to get confirmation from another source to put a mind at rest.

Appylvr · 05-13-2008, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tazassape

You doubted us on the other forum?

I'm sorry

I was confused... and it seems crazy if a foal is born with color it won't be registerable because it's parents are solid. I guess it's good though, cause it's promoting breeding for color which is one of the main characterists of Appaloosas...

hjackma51982 · 05-14-2008, 11:58 AM

also- keep inmind that (if I am remembering correctly) just because she does not have spots does not mean she is NC- she can be registered regular if she displays enough other charactoristics such as striped hooves on solid legs, mottling and sclera.

btw- please forgive my atrocious spelling

05-13-2008, 10:13 AM	#1
Appylvr Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: California Posts: 6,957 Images: 307	Mutrok, Top Dun, Appy people question Hey guys! Someone on another forum just said this and I don't think it's true, but I don't know for sure. I knew you guys who breed and register all the time would though... One person was asking about their solid Appy mare (out of two leopards) and breeding her to a grey QH stud and the possible colors. I mentioned why not breed her to another Appy stud, like a few spot or snowcap so she'd be guaranteed color instead of getting a solid that might not be registerable. Then someone else replied back that if you breed a solid mare to a solid stallion (no matter what the resulting foals colors are) it cannot be registered. Is that true? Even if the foal somehow came out with Appy traits? __________________ ~Tonya~ Teak~Coco~Baylee~Dolly~Rosie~Shilo~Jazzy A solitary ride through the bush is more beneficial than six months with the best psychiatrist

05-13-2008, 03:35 PM	#5
Appylvr Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: California Posts: 6,957 Images: 307	Thanks guys! I knew you would know... I learn something new everyday! __________________ ~Tonya~ Teak~Coco~Baylee~Dolly~Rosie~Shilo~Jazzy A solitary ride through the bush is more beneficial than six months with the best psychiatrist

05-13-2008, 06:03 PM	#7
Top Dun Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,662 Images: 178 Blog Entries: 1	A solid NC registered mare bred to a NON appaloosa stallion cannot have a registerable foal. A Solid NC mare MUST be bred back to a colored ApHC registered stallion in order for the foal to be registered. And finally Breeding a grey to an appaloosa really defeats the purpose of breeding appaloosas because the color just washes away if the foal gets the grey gene. The Grey gene is frowned upon by most appaloosa breeders. If a foal did result with traits from 2 solids the only way to register it is to have it hardship registered. __________________ Cattle Producers DO NOT want NAIS: When asked if they thought NAIS should be a mandatory system requiring all U.S. cattle producers to participate, 21.22% of respondents said yes, 50.32% said no, and 28.46% were undecided.

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05-13-2008, 10:59 AM	#3
Kicks Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Beautiful Black Hills of Dakota Posts: 2,069 Images: 17	A spayed colored/characteristic filly can also be 'hardshipped'. Also probably depends on the registry. There are differences in the different Appaloosa registries.

05-14-2008, 11:58 AM	#10
hjackma51982 Full Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 209	also- keep inmind that (if I am remembering correctly) just because she does not have spots does not mean she is NC- she can be registered regular if she displays enough other charactoristics such as striped hooves on solid legs, mottling and sclera. btw- please forgive my atrocious spelling