[allison finch]

Originally Posted by shaiarabs

personally I dont like his method at all...its far too unrefined for me..

as for if its a world champion trainer or not.. who cares... even the highest trainers in the world ie olympics are cruel and unethical to get a win and in my opinion that makes them the lowest not the highest..

That is not true at all and VERY judgemental!! I have ridden at the top levels and have a reputation for very gentle training methods. I have a built my reputation retraining horses damaged by poor training methods. You don't do that by using brutality on horses who have been brutalized by the worst. I could give a **** if I win. I just want to do better than I did last time. I compete against MYSELF!

Sorry to see you're so dejected, but I suspect you haven't spent much time amonst the top riders in my fields of competition.

[Rowdy_Sandi]

I personally have always been a follower of MR's ideas, ever since I read his book. How much of his book and ideas he gleaned from others I do not know, and I haven't met/seen him in person. However, some of his ideas of taking training down the horses level and speaking to them in ways they understand appeals to me and has helped me with a lot of horses with issues. However, I take ideas from Clinton Anderson and Parelli as well and many others and incorporate them into my training plans as well. They are all commercial, and they all sell gadgets. Some gadgets I've bought because I liked them, others I don't waste my money.
IMO, I don't really care who came up with the ideas. It could have been the bum in the box down the street. If it's a good idea and it expands my knowledge and it works with the animals in positive ways, it's good to me and I'll use it.

[shaiarabs]

Originally Posted by allison finch

That is not true at all and VERY judgemental!! I have ridden at the top levels and have a reputation for very gentle training methods. I have a built my reputation retraining horses damaged by poor training methods. You don't do that by using brutality on horses who have been brutalized by the worst. I could give a **** if I win. I just want to do better than I did last time. I compete against MYSELF!

Sorry to see you're so dejected, but I suspect you haven't spent much time amonst the top riders in my fields of competition.

apologies mate, I didnt word that very well for my meaning

as for if its a world champion trainer or not.. who cares... even the highest trainers in the world ie olympics can be cruel and unethical to get a win and in my opinion that makes them the lowest not the highest..

[BootsOn]

Originally Posted by Rowdy_Sandi

I personally have always been a follower of MR's ideas, ever since I read his book. How much of his book and ideas he gleaned from others I do not know, and I haven't met/seen him in person. However, some of his ideas of taking training down the horses level and speaking to them in ways they understand appeals to me and has helped me with a lot of horses with issues. However, I take ideas from Clinton Anderson and Parelli as well and many others and incorporate them into my training plans as well. They are all commercial, and they all sell gadgets. Some gadgets I've bought because I liked them, others I don't waste my money.
IMO, I don't really care who came up with the ideas. It could have been the bum in the box down the street. If it's a good idea and it expands my knowledge and it works with the animals in positive ways, it's good to me and I'll use it.

That is basically my perspective as well. I couldn't care less where he got his idea's and techniques from, if they work then hallelujah! If not, then they can be delicately placed with all of the other useless things that have went through in my brain.

[farmeress]

Monty Roberts came to RCRA a few years ago and told the crowd that he would be working on a horse that had never been handled and would have it under saddle before the end.

Poor...poor Monty...has a group of knowledgable, smart people attend as well as those who were new to the horseworld...and he thought we would not notice that the "unhandled" horse he brought into the ring....had a set of shoes on and had been tied to a ring in a stall for over an hour...and he was called on it...in public...in front of everyone....and had no real explaination how a unhandled horse had shoes on and stood for tieing in a stall with a halter.

He talked tall about the horses he trained and all the ribbons they won...and as doublebarr pointed out...he had nothing to do with it....and...many people knew this...and called him on it....but the horse onto the trailer would sure show us....

....*shakes head*......He could not get the boy on...and went from the horse whisper to redneck cowboy methods out of frustration.

He has not been invited back for another clinic...and probably never will be.

I have no respect for this man or Parelli...I have never seen Clinton or others personally to have an opinion...but these two trainers....can be shot and never missed by the vast majority of horse people I know...english or western.

They have nothing in their training methods that is there own....some come from the heavy horse world...some from western...some from logging.....but not one idea is their own...it is the same old-same old simply wrapped in new pretty packaging for the new novice to ooooo and awwwweee over.

[KristinJ]

Originally Posted by farmeress

Monty Roberts came to RCRA a few years ago and told the crowd that he would be working on a horse that had never been handled and would have it under saddle before the end.

Poor...poor Monty...has a group of knowledgable, smart people attend as well as those who were new to the horseworld...and he thought we would not notice that the "unhandled" horse he brought into the ring....had a set of shoes on and had been tied to a ring in a stall for over an hour...and he was called on it...in public...in front of everyone....and had no real explaination how a unhandled horse had shoes on and stood for tieing in a stall with a halter.

He talked tall about the horses he trained and all the ribbons they won...and as doublebarr pointed out...he had nothing to do with it....and...many people knew this...and called him on it....but the horse onto the trailer would sure show us....

....*shakes head*......He could not get the boy on...and went from the horse whisper to redneck cowboy methods out of frustration.

He has not been invited back for another clinic...and probably never will be.

I have no respect for this man or Parelli...I have never seen Clinton or others personally to have an opinion...but these two trainers....can be shot and never missed by the vast majority of horse people I know...english or western.

They have nothing in their training methods that is there own....some come from the heavy horse world...some from western...some from logging.....but not one idea is their own...it is the same old-same old simply wrapped in new pretty packaging for the new novice to ooooo and awwwweee over.

WOW! I would have ALMOST felt bad for him sweating there trying to explain the shoes and halter .. haha! That kinda sucks

[KristinJ]

Originally Posted by allison finch

That is not true at all and VERY judgemental!! I have ridden at the top levels and have a reputation for very gentle training methods. I have a built my reputation retraining horses damaged by poor training methods. You don't do that by using brutality on horses who have been brutalized by the worst. I could give a **** if I win. I just want to do better than I did last time. I compete against MYSELF!

Sorry to see you're so dejected, but I suspect you haven't spent much time amonst the top riders in my fields of competition.

It's true AT TIMES! I have seen it before, A LOT! Very TOP of the line trainers beating the **** out of their horses when they THINK no one is looking or at their own private barn. The worse is when I see this abuse in schooling rings at shows .. I can only IMAGINE what they do in the privacy of their own barns .. ekkk!

[BlingRacer]

Originally Posted by noreins

How many trainers DONT sell over priced equipment? Just a side note.

Well I know that none of the smaller trainers I ever took lessons from felt the need to sell equipment! Even most world champions only sell videos or books.

[farmeress]

Originally Posted by KristinJ

It's true AT TIMES! I have seen it before, A LOT! Very TOP of the line trainers beating the **** out of their horses when they THINK no one is looking or at their own private barn. The worse is when I see this abuse in schooling rings at shows .. I can only IMAGINE what they do in the privacy of their own barns .. ekkk!

You know....you are hanging around too many of the wrong top riders than

I can not speak for other countries....nor will I say that all pros are great to thier horses...but....I do know alot top riders from Dressage...Jumpers....Eventers in Canada that do not use abuse....rap thier horses...with hold water...ect. ect ect.

And I know this because I have either worked for them when I was younger....trained with them...boarded with them....been stabled right beside them at shows....and not because someone else told me

Nor have I ever had any of these trainers/coaches try to sell me any "specul" equipement they are marketing....nor they endorsed...or any services from their sponsers...and you know....I still learned a thing or two that actually helped me in the show ring...where I need a coach.

[farmeress]

Originally Posted by KristinJ

WOW! I would have ALMOST felt bad for him sweating there trying to explain the shoes and halter .. haha! That kinda sucks

Not me.....like many there...we went with an open mind truly hoping to learn a new thing or two...imagine how mad educated horse people are when they realized they have been scammed out of $200++ dollars

Thankfully....I did not have to pay for me.....soooo.....I stayed quiet...and enjoyed the real show

Gave Parelli a chance too....saw a clinic....and lost all respect for him...and Linda taking Dressage....it would seem to be a good thing...but...she is using this experience for the wrong reason...more to say I ride with Waltar Zettle than actually learning anything or really improving....sooo...she lost my respect right along with the husband...but the final straw...not riding with helmets and encouraging the stoopidity of it

NH to me is short for BS because of the people like the mentioned above