[doublebarr]

Originally Posted by estherj92

Monty Roberts owned Johnny Tivio who with him won several championships in the AQHA world.

Monte can sure put the BS out there, can't he:


Monty claims a lot of credit for the success of the stallion Johnny Tivio. According to records online at the AQHA website, Monty bought the horse 12/13/1965.

The AQHA has the following as show records for the horse:
NATIONAL CUTTING HORSE ASSOCIATION $ 5,188.90 Earned thru 01/01/1966 1965
OPEN HIGH POINT WESTERN RIDING STALLION 1964
OPEN PERFORMANCE REGISTER OF MERIT

It appears that Johnny Tivio did a great deal of winning before he came into Monty's hands. According to people who knew Johnny Tivio, those wins were done under the training and riding of Harry Rose.

Monty wrote of Dually (PEPINICS DUALLY) that he had been a "throwaway horse that no one wanted."
For Dually, AQHA ownership records show as dates of sale:
CURRENT OWNER : MONTY AND PAT ROBERTS SOLVANG, CA 01/09/1995
2ND PREV OWNER : GREG AND/OR LAURA WARD TULARE, CA 03/01/1994

It should be noted that Greg Ward (deceased) is known as one of the greatest Reined Cowhorse trainers of all time.

AQHA performance records for Dually show:
NATIONAL CUTTING HORSE ASSOCIATION $ 6,295.51 Earned thru 01/01/1994
NATIONAL REINED COW HORSE ASSOCIATION $ 5,404.18 Earned thru 11/02/1995

Apparently, the horse had earned over $6000 before acquired by Monty.

Dually was a product not only of Greg Ward's training but also of his breeding program that has produced many world class money earners in NCHA, NRHA, NRCHA, and AQHA, descended from Greg Ward's great mare Fillinic.

As evidence of Greg Ward's love of horses and his skill, consider this quote from an article in Western Horseman magazine, 'Could it have been that the high-strung Fillinic had proven too much of a challenge for the earlier owners, needing the sure and steady hand of the "Master," Greg Ward, the man who was to make Fillinic, just as Fillinic was to make him?'

Seems to me that perhaps Greg Ward was the kind of trainer that Monty would have liked to have been.

[John]

Can you learn how to fly an aeroplane by reading books or watching someone else or do it you need a bit of practice with someone watching you? There is a large difference between book learning and learning a skill.

[GotaDunQH]

Originally Posted by doublebarr

Trainers I respect take time to teach, not spend most of their day mass marketing.

Agree....trainers I respect are out there hands'on doing it everyday, instead of online, meeting with their marketing people, or travelling from here to there SELLING it.

Jennifer

[noreins]

Originally Posted by John

Can you learn how to fly an aeroplane by reading books or watching someone else or do it you need a bit of practice with someone watching you? There is a large difference between book learning and learning a skill.

WOAH hold up... this is not even my thread I just joined in. I know a number of trainers and have LEARNED from them. I am fully capable of training my own horses. I READ because I like to read and see what other people do. I have been riding 14 years, I didn't pick up a book and all of the sudden think I knew what I was doing. I learned way before I started looking into other trainers methods. You don't need to assume so fast. I have my OWN methods and read to find which methods of others can help me. I learned to fly my "plane" by spending hours upon hours of time in the cockpit.

[lissette10]

i know a horse that was sent to his place (i want to say the horse was there 4-6 months). didnt improve the horse one bit. just cost the owner a bunch of money.

im not saying monty isnt any good at all, just that he cant fix every horse.

i have read parts of a book called Horse Whispers & Lies. all i can say is.... iiiiiiiiiinteresting

[MuckMuck]

I taught flying for over 30 years and It starts with the books and videos.
Lots and lots of books!

[John]

Originally Posted by MuckMuck

I taught flying for over 30 years and It starts with the books and videos.
Lots and lots of books!

Yes but I would like to see a pilot with a few hours as pilot in command before I will sit in the back with him flying!!

[John]

Originally Posted by noreins

WOAH hold up... this is not even my thread I just joined in. I know a number of trainers and have LEARNED from them. I am fully capable of training my own horses. I READ because I like to read and see what other people do. I have been riding 14 years, I didn't pick up a book and all of the sudden think I knew what I was doing. I learned way before I started looking into other trainers methods. You don't need to assume so fast. I have my OWN methods and read to find which methods of others can help me. I learned to fly my "plane" by spending hours upon hours of time in the cockpit.

I am not arguing that you should not learn from books and watching others. You must. You still have to learn the skill all by yourself. Same as an aeroplane.

[shaiarabs]

personally I dont like his method at all...its far too unrefined for me..

as for if its a world champion trainer or not.. who cares... even the highest trainers in the world ie olympics are cruel and unethical to get a win and in my opinion that makes them the lowest not the highest..

[Super Step]

I have zero respect or confidence in Monte Roberts.

If others have learned from him then he has done some good.