[Haas Horse Farm]

This is on the website...

To top this off - she has the COLOR and the looks! Milly is an extreme splash overo and also carries the sabino gene. She should be a wonderful color producer when she is ready to join the broodmare band.

[RiddleMeThis]

Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

This is on the website...

Ive read the website, and now Im wondering if they mean SB1 or just "sabino"

[Haas Horse Farm]

I did not know that you could tell the difference from one sort of sabino to another? Isn't SB1 sabino????

[RiddleMeThis]

There are multiple forums of sabino. Sb1 or sabino one is the only one they can test for right now. You cant visually tell the difference between them as far as I know.

[Haas Horse Farm]

Right so I am confused about your question... sabino is sabino... so what difference does it make which one?

[RiddleMeThis]

Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

Right so I am confused about your question... sabino is sabino... so what difference does it make which one?

Because she said the sabino gene. I want to know if she tested postive for SB1 or they are just assuming she is sabino.

[JBandRio]

Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

I know several tested frames that have white across the top of the back... so this comment is confusing... Also solid horses are frame so there is no white to frame at all.

Just because a horse tests for LWO does not mean he can't be something else. Do you have pictures of the Frames that also have white across the back? What color are their legs?

Sorry I think you are forgetting one big point when dealing with paint and pinto patterns... those are rules that are often broken and they are just a guide not a must. Much like paw prints are a sign of Tobiano but not all tobianos have them and some with them are NOT homozygous for tobiano... but that does not mean that we throw the paw prints out... as an indicator of homozygous tobiano... it just means that if the parents are correct for it ... there is one more reason to test.

There are no absolutes with spotting colors...

I know there are no absolutes. The paw prints isn't really a valid comparison though. PPs are just something about the pattern, not how the pattern manifests, if that makes sense. It's like saying the Tobiano dark spots have to be no bigger than a certain size, or no smaller. But Tobi has rules - solid head. I do realize I could be wrong about Frame, but EVERYthing I have read about it says it does not cross the centerline, just like everything says Tobi does not put white on the head, just like Tobi nearly always has 4 white legs but that occasionally it's 3.

Originally Posted by accphotography

Well I think it is proven as they have tested for frame and they do know frame (by itself) can cause face white ranging from normal to bald supposedly. Are you saying you think if one of those LOUD frame with the perfect outline did NOT have sabino or splash it would nto put any whte on the face or that all the white would be to the sides of the middle like a badger face? I've never seen an example of this that did not clearly have other patterns at play so I can't say, btu I can say this, frame crosses the topline all the time. Over the neck anyway... don't see it cross the back too often.

Yes, that's what I'm saying - if white crosses the centerline, there is something else in the mix

Originally Posted by doublebarr

Well, here is mom:
http://www.cedarrockfarms.com/BJ.html


And here's Dad:
http://www.talkoftheparty.net/Party.html


So, she's registered Overo and he's AQHA - means the baby is NOT Tobiano, but Splash + Overo, so if APHA registered him Overo, they would be correct.

ETA: and it would deffinately show a foal with the frame gene WOULD allow white to cross over when you include splash.

Absolutely, frame allows white to cross the centerline, but it in itself won't do it. Mom looks Frame + Splash + Sabino.

[Haas Horse Farm]

LOL so what do solids that test for LWO look like... my point is that all those ideas are neat BUT there is a horse somewhere that will prove it not to be.

Originally Posted by RiddleMeThis

Because she said the sabino gene. I want to know if she tested postive for SB1 or they are just assuming she is sabino.

I bet that the owner is saying the horse has the sabino pattern. Knowing SB1 means nothing to me... I cannot see what proof that does to any breeder. What is the point in testing for it? Sorry that is one that really has never made much sense to me. I do know that the lines on the dam are back to the horse with the "nylon" gene... which is known for being sabino.

[Haas Horse Farm]

Originally Posted by JBandRio

Just because a horse tests for LWO does not mean he can't be something else. Do you have pictures of the Frames that also have white across the back? What color are their legs?

Yes, that's what I'm saying - if white crosses the centerline, there is something else in the mix

Yes I have photos but I see no point in hijac ing this thread about it. I did not say that the horses did not have other patterns... I know for a fact that one horse is also Tobiano. I am not sure what other genes the other horses might have besides frame since there are several... some are part QH...

My point is simply that it has been proven that the only way to know frame is to test for it... it cannot be "seen"... that is why I am questioning why anyone wants to put a "look" to something that cannot be seen.

[RiddleMeThis]

Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

I bet that the owner is saying the horse has the sabino pattern. Knowing SB1 means nothing to me... I cannot see what proof that does to any breeder. What is the point in testing for it? Sorry that is one that really has never made much sense to me. I do know that the lines on the dam are back to the horse with the "nylon" gene... which is known for being sabino.

SB1 in homozygous horses causes max whites. That is the point of knowing. So that you can breed for a max white if you so choose. As far as what it means to me personally on this horse, absolutely nothing except curiosity.