[Broken A Ranch]

Originally Posted by Stormyheart6160

We can make a deal with them.....they quit sending their PMU's to us here in the states, and we'll stop sending our horses to them to slaughter.

Well.. at least we aren't sending them our horses to feed

[BettyBootsy]

Originally Posted by Broken A Ranch

Partially exactly my point. Americans need to deal with their OWN overflow of unwanted rescue horses instead of hauling more of them over from Canada. I don't agree with premarin and believe that the synthetic is a more than viable alternative. Frankly if they stopped producing premarin, and only offered the alternative(s) they could take care of a nice chunk of the horse overpopulation caused by the production of premarin.

Canada is responsible for the overflow of these horses because they are produced in Canada. Period. If a **** I dunno Spanish company set up farm in the US (for example) and started producing large quantities of unwanted lets say monkeys, I would believe that the US is responsible for regulating that company and saying THIS is how you need to handle the overflow so it doesn't impact everything else.

If one closes a PMU plant and there is no room for the mares at another plant after of course careful culling and replacing of mares that have already been bred to death, I believe that humane euthanasia in the industries current climate is a viable alternative. If you closed a cattle feedlot and the cows had no place to go I really don't think that you would say ok.. please PROMISE not to breed this cute old over bred lightly handled cow and you can have her for a minimal price. In this instance PMU horses are very much "livestock" who have served a purpose. Frankly they are probably replacing those that are "adopted" out with younger versions who have more breeding years on them anyway, and while I do appreciate the efforts to better the bloodlines of PMU horses so they are more adoptable; you can't ride bloodlines or pedigrees and I would think that the better bloodlined horses would moreso appeal to someone who wants to BREED them, whether a start up or a backyard breeder. That kinda defeats the purpose all together doesn't it?

Don't mind me... I also think that they should reopen slaughter plants in the US with stronger regulations and that horse meat should be available for sale in the states. This would immediately stop the problems that they are having in states such as Florida where people are finding their pets slaughtered for meat that is a normal food source in other countries and take care of some of the over population issues as well.

Well said!

[hamerface]

Originally Posted by Broken A Ranch

Partially exactly my point. Americans need to deal with their OWN overflow of unwanted rescue horses instead of hauling more of them over from Canada. I don't agree with premarin and believe that the synthetic is a more than viable alternative. Frankly if they stopped producing premarin, and only offered the alternative(s) they could take care of a nice chunk of the horse overpopulation caused by the production of premarin.

Canada is responsible for the overflow of these horses because they are produced in Canada. Period. If a **** I dunno Spanish company set up farm in the US (for example) and started producing large quantities of unwanted lets say monkeys, I would believe that the US is responsible for regulating that company and saying THIS is how you need to handle the overflow so it doesn't impact everything else.

If one closes a PMU plant and there is no room for the mares at another plant after of course careful culling and replacing of mares that have already been bred to death, I believe that humane euthanasia in the industries current climate is a viable alternative. If you closed a cattle feedlot and the cows had no place to go I really don't think that you would say ok.. please PROMISE not to breed this cute old over bred lightly handled cow and you can have her for a minimal price. In this instance PMU horses are very much "livestock" who have served a purpose. Frankly they are probably replacing those that are "adopted" out with younger versions who have more breeding years on them anyway, and while I do appreciate the efforts to better the bloodlines of PMU horses so they are more adoptable; you can't ride bloodlines or pedigrees and I would think that the better bloodlined horses would moreso appeal to someone who wants to BREED them, whether a start up or a backyard breeder. That kinda defeats the purpose all together doesn't it?

Don't mind me... I also think that they should reopen slaughter plants in the US with stronger regulations and that horse meat should be available for sale in the states. This would immediately stop the problems that they are having in states such as Florida where people are finding their pets slaughtered for meat that is a normal food source in other countries and take care of some of the over population issues as well.

well said yes.
I agree, Americans do need to deal with their overflow, including their own PMU horses.
That is why organizations such as this are bothersome to me.

I would reply with a much better answer but I just finished a 14 hour shift at a trade show

I agree, synthetics are much more agreeable for all parties involved, but to my understanding some women aren't receptive to synthetic hormones.

As for the registered stock, I guess you can look at it as though everyone BUYING those well bred PMU foals may breed them, they may also show them in the AQHA, APHA ApHC shows as well With absolutely no intention of breeding them. IMO if someone does buy a well bred horse from a PMU farm (yes they are out there) and they breed them responsibly to an equal or better quality stud/mare there isn't much of an issue in my opinion.
Yes there are too many horses, back yard breeding is a different issue entirely...

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by Broken A Ranch

Well.. at least we aren't sending them our horses to feed

Yes we are! Even Canada has a "holding period" before a horse can be slaughtered.

Come April of 2010, all slaughter bound horses will have to be quarantined for 6 mos., before they can be slaughtered. They will have to be fed during those 6 mos. That's a lot of hay and feed IF they don't want them losing weight, and not bringing a good price at the slaughter plants.

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by Broken A Ranch

Partially exactly my point. Americans need to deal with their OWN overflow of unwanted rescue horses instead of hauling more of them over from Canada. I don't agree with premarin and believe that the synthetic is a more than viable alternative. Frankly if they stopped producing premarin, and only offered the alternative(s) they could take care of a nice chunk of the horse overpopulation caused by the production of premarin.

Canada is responsible for the overflow of these horses because they are produced in Canada. Period. If a **** I dunno Spanish company set up farm in the US (for example) and started producing large quantities of unwanted lets say monkeys, I would believe that the US is responsible for regulating that company and saying THIS is how you need to handle the overflow so it doesn't impact everything else.

If one closes a PMU plant and there is no room for the mares at another plant after of course careful culling and replacing of mares that have already been bred to death, I believe that humane euthanasia in the industries current climate is a viable alternative. If you closed a cattle feedlot and the cows had no place to go I really don't think that you would say ok.. please PROMISE not to breed this cute old over bred lightly handled cow and you can have her for a minimal price. In this instance PMU horses are very much "livestock" who have served a purpose. Frankly they are probably replacing those that are "adopted" out with younger versions who have more breeding years on them anyway, and while I do appreciate the efforts to better the bloodlines of PMU horses so they are more adoptable; you can't ride bloodlines or pedigrees and I would think that the better bloodlined horses would moreso appeal to someone who wants to BREED them, whether a start up or a backyard breeder. That kinda defeats the purpose all together doesn't it?

Don't mind me... I also think that they should reopen slaughter plants in the US with stronger regulations and that horse meat should be available for sale in the states. This would immediately stop the problems that they are having in states such as Florida where people are finding their pets slaughtered for meat that is a normal food source in other countries and take care of some of the over population issues as well.

I agree with almost everything you stated. All, except the last paragraph. Personally, I don't EVER want to see horse slaughter legal in this country again.....it just promotes MORE breeding.

Equine747 did an amazing job last year of posting these PMU mares and foals on here.....a LOT of them got adopted. It shouldn't matter where the animal is located, when it comes to rescue tho. If it's facing a death sentence, I'd much rather see it transported to another country by someone who wants it and will care for it, than to see it die.

[Equine747]

Originally Posted by MissHoneys

apparently they dont adopt to canada though since they say nothing about shipping to canada

Yes they do ship out horses to Canada they just really advertise shipping to the U.S because that is what most people ask about.

Originally Posted by Stormyheart6160

I agree with almost everything you stated. All, except the last paragraph. Personally, I don't EVER want to see horse slaughter legal in this country again.....it just promotes MORE breeding.

Equine747 did an amazing job last year of posting these PMU mares and foals on here.....a LOT of them got adopted. It shouldn't matter where the animal is located, when it comes to rescue tho. If it's facing a death sentence, I'd much rather see it transported to another country by someone who wants it and will care for it, than to see it die.

Thank you Stormyheart for stepping in and helping to answer some questions while I was away. All horses deserve a chance and I dont think it matters at all where they come from, after all a horse is a horse. I am not forcing anyone to adopt one of these horses I am only helping to spread the word about them and make it possible for someone to adopt if they wish to. If one was to go to your local horse auction and take home a horse that was in need of rescuing that is wonderful I very much encourage it! This is just another way of rescuing a horse and I dont see how it is any different then going to a feedlot, auction or local rescue because in the end you are all doing the same thing

[paintlver]

I would like to know myself where in Manitoba these horses come from. I know a few breeders that continue to breed unregistered lower quality horses and advertise them as Canadian Warmbloods. Even though the market is bottomed out for horses they continue to breed. The adoption fees for these horses is more like a purchase price. I can go up to the Interlake in Sept. and buy a registered Quarter Horse or Paint of nice breeding for about $200.00. With the hay situation this year in the Interlake area where I suspect these horses come from appears to be in a poor state.

[Equine747]

From the coggins test on my boy it says they are from a city called Ashorn

[paintlver]

Ashern...Yep, that is in the Interlake. I wonder which breeder. These prices are very high for this quality of horse. I am just a little skeptic when it comes to calling this adoption. I know most of the PMU breeders are no longer on contract. They however have been paid a handsome sum to care for the remaining horses as part of the settlement. I would be curious to know if they are continueing to breed.....

[Equine747]

This man was breeding his 200 mares every year while the rescue tries to place all the horses. He is down to about 30 mares now thanks to the rescue and has also gelded the stallions so no longer has a use for them, that is why he will be sending them to the feedlot. Do you know some of the old PMU breeders?