[Appylvr]

Originally Posted by Haas Horse Farm

What you are stating is actually a breeding lease. :-) Very common... you get the mare in foal... you keep the foal and the mare goes home...

Buying in utero... you do not get the mare... you get the foal after it is weaned. :-)

That did put it into much simpler terms didn't it?

I like the idea... plus that way... you could pretty much (if the breeder was willing) to choose which mare you liked best of his and pick a nice stud (don't know if he has his own).

I just checked out that Paint site and their mares aren't listed anymore... but, for example... if I was doing this I'd pick these two

Black Forest
http://www.mrtramp.com/black_forest.htm
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/black+forest3

Splashed with Roses
http://www.mrtramp.com/splashed_with_roses.htm
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/splashed+with+roses

[Emma lvs tilly]

if you have the desire for a foal no matter how it turns out then you go for it if like you say you already can, support it financially. knowone can stop you!

i too dream of breeding my own foal, even wanted one from my own mare, who i dont have a clue what breed she is. but after a long think, realised i am better to wait, until i can most definatly afford to. i even have a stud picked for her so the foal could be registered as a part bred. but if it was too late to breed her when i am ready i would get another mare then breed.

but you can never know, things may change.

[Finallyownhorse]

We just got word that our uncle who has been struggling with cancer was put in the hospital. He isn't expected to last through the day.

Thank you for all the great info, but now with this news of our uncle, the last thing on my mind is a foal. We are leaving here in a few minutes to drive to MN to be with the family.

[RiddleMeThis]

OMG I am so so sorry. I am praying for things to turn out for the best for you and your family.

**sending jingles**

[Bodi]

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

what if the baby hits the ground dumb and with a BAD temperment? One never knows what may be lurking behind all those genes..... comes out lame, never to be able to run, let alone be ridden........must consider the "bad" part of breeding and the good....

And you say you cannot have an adult horse now? How can you have a baby that will eventually be an adult horse? I don't get it?

I understand where your coming from but I also look at it this way. I've been involved in breeding horses and breeding facilities for the past 12yrs of my life. While that isn't many years to some and it's been a complete learning and hands on experience I at the same time hightly doubt I have ever, ever seen the first sentance true. Who in the heck has had a foal drop to the ground dumb and ill tempered ... what is the percentage on that? Really now, personally I find it slightly blown out of proportion. I could expect that with a certain Hack stallion's foals, but then he'd sooner take your face off through the stall bars than look at you. What did you expect from his foals??

I think she is willing to do the research if she is pointed in the right direction and helped out. Like anybody else on here.

As for the adult question ... If I was only looking to add a foal to my horse herd, I would go out and BUY TWO more! That's one more mouth you have to feed than what you planned on feeding. Adult horses can and do require more feed than a young horse growing up. Why have another adult horse standing around not doing anything that your mare who is perfectly capable of doing the same and possibly more, could do??

I'm also not jumping you BW. There are many good posts here, and a lot of thought process going on. I also believe that everyone should think things through logically, but then we all champion that one. Anytime anyone asks about breeding it is always brought up, look at all possible angles, know all pros and cons, know what your getting into. Good advice, but in the end we know highly up to the person posting too.

I say do what you desire to do, always remember to keep a open mind to advice. You may hear things you don't like, and you'll hear things that are good too. Use what you can.

[Finallyownhorse]

We just got word that our uncle who has been struggling with cancer was put in the hospital. He isn't expected to last through the day.

Our uncle passed away yesterday. It is actually a good thing. He was in a lot of pain. Just wanted to FYI.

I am planning to keep learning and reading up on stuff. The foal idea may just end up being a "someday" thing that never happens. But I do appreciate everyones advice. Thank you!

[lilrider]

Originally Posted by RiddleMeThis

Make sure you can honestly afford to breed her. The stud fee is only a small small part of all the fees associated with breeding. Here is a very detailed list of what it costs. Many people who saw this at first said that it was much much lower than they actaully pay and it doesnt even include emergency expenses if something were to go wrong.

http://www.spindletopfarm.net/breedingcosts.htm

Ok I had to comment on this page. A lot of those costs do not apply to everyone or are different. A lot of those costs are also a given.

A few that I have some problems with.

Grain $50/month. Wow what on earth are they feeding their horses? I think we go through 3 bags of feed a month but thats with three horses. But perhaps it varies by area. Thats with feeding them mostly a diet of good quality hay mind you.

Hay we have our own fields so thats not something I am sure of as far as cost.

Shavings $65/month. Thats about (for me) 13 bags a month. For one horse (as its only through weaning and they would share a stall till that time). Personally we hardly ever use shavings as our horses our out 24/7 but their stalls are always open so they come and go. I would say we use maybe... 1 or 2 bags a month but our 3 prefer to use their excess hay (wasteful butt heads lol).

The rest I can agree with the prices except for the farm labor. If this means hiring people to do farm labor then I have to say I don't know anyone who does that.

Also utilities insurance etc etc wouldn't be part of it if you are boarding your horse. But you would have monthly board.

Ok my problem with all of these things (vet, farrier, feed, shavings, indirect costs is that you will be paying those whether or not you breed your horse. Yes you will feed more food and different food most likely when the mare is pregnant but it is most likely not that big of a price change.

So in reality I only agree with the section called Breeding Costs. The other costs are the same costs as I would have any other time. Yes your horse is out of commission for a little while but hey my 3 are sitting around being pasture puffs for 9 months out of the year anyways (I'm off at college and they stay at home).

The Inspection Fee's area only applies if you have warmbloods (unless there are other breeds that require inspections). So in reality you only have to pay for the registration fee and membership fee which I am not sure of what that is for the APHA or AQHA.

[RiddleMeThis]

Originally Posted by lilrider

Ok I had to comment on this page. A lot of those costs do not apply to everyone or are different. A lot of those costs are also a given.

A few that I have some problems with.

Grain $50/month. Wow what on earth are they feeding their horses? I think we go through 3 bags of feed a month but thats with three horses. But perhaps it varies by area. Thats with feeding them mostly a diet of good quality hay mind you.

Hay we have our own fields so thats not something I am sure of as far as cost.

Shavings $65/month. Thats about (for me) 13 bags a month. For one horse (as its only through weaning and they would share a stall till that time). Personally we hardly ever use shavings as our horses our out 24/7 but their stalls are always open so they come and go. I would say we use maybe... 1 or 2 bags a month but our 3 prefer to use their excess hay (wasteful butt heads lol).

The rest I can agree with the prices except for the farm labor. If this means hiring people to do farm labor then I have to say I don't know anyone who does that.

Also utilities insurance etc etc wouldn't be part of it if you are boarding your horse. But you would have monthly board.

Ok my problem with all of these things (vet, farrier, feed, shavings, indirect costs is that you will be paying those whether or not you breed your horse. Yes you will feed more food and different food most likely when the mare is pregnant but it is most likely not that big of a price change.

So in reality I only agree with the section called Breeding Costs. The other costs are the same costs as I would have any other time. Yes your horse is out of commission for a little while but hey my 3 are sitting around being pasture puffs for 9 months out of the year anyways (I'm off at college and they stay at home).

The Inspection Fee's area only applies if you have warmbloods (unless there are other breeds that require inspections). So in reality you only have to pay for the registration fee and membership fee which I am not sure of what that is for the APHA or AQHA.

I just posted what I was shown about costs, and was told by many that is was incredibly low as far as what they pay froom breeding to weaning. If its different for you great, but it is what I was shown and what many agreed upon as a low average for costs.

[doublebarr]

Originally Posted by finallyownhorse

Our uncle passed away yesterday. It is actually a good thing. He was in a lot of pain. Just wanted to FYI.

Just lost my father last month to cancer. My prayers are with you and your family.
God Bless,
Cindy

[lilrider]

Originally Posted by RiddleMeThis

I just posted what I was shown about costs, and was told by many that is was incredibly low as far as what they pay froom breeding to weaning. If its different for you great, but it is what I was shown and what many agreed upon as a low average for costs.

But most of those you pay whether you breed your horse or not so they don't really count. The breeding fees yes but the others.... they are ALWAYS there. So I guess I just don't see the point