[Abbie22057]

In my personal experience, I had the oppurtunity to buy both a registered filly and an unregistered "mutt". They were both asking the same price. Both were yearling fillies, well broke. Guess who I picked? The registered one. Most people will choose a registered foal over an unregistered foal because their resale value is higher, they have more breeding potential, you can get into breed shows, also some people just like to know where their horses came from. I will admit I was influenced by looks as well, but some people would probably have liked the other one better. I basically picked my filly because she was registered. And who wouldn't for the same price? The horse market is extremely slow right now. If you want a baby that bad, adopt a PMU mare in foal. It really isn't a responsible action to breed a mare that is not a top quality horse, especially if she is unsound.

One other point: a while back I was looking into registering a gelding as a pinto, and found out that it's going to cost about $400 (he was 3) and all it is is a free pass into the pinto shows, basically. Cause he still has no known parentage, so they really aren't worth getting.

<small>[ March 12, 2004, 06:02 AM: Message edited by: Abbie22057 ]</small>

[Blistering Winds]

I finally got ahold of someone else who worked up at AQHA a few years ago. And I did find this out, which will change my above statement.

Several years ago, the white rule was MUCH Lower on the legs. Around the knees, the white could not cross. Nor past the eye. Those horses were registered usually as Breeding Stock Paints in the Paint Horse association. When they changed the white rule to include the WHOLE leg and the whole face, those horses were grandfathered into the registry.

So, if the horse was refused AQHA registry at that time, then they COULD be double registered with the changes that happened a few years past on the white rule.

NOW I understand how you can have a double registered. The AQHA person I spoke to AT the association did not inform me of that aspect.

Since the white rule changed, the APHA has not changed their lines either, so an AQHA horse with a bald face CAN be registered with the APHA because APHA requires 2" past the eye line. AQHA changed theirs to allow white to the throat latch and up to the "body" on the legs.

[spyro1]

Ok, I have one more thing to add to this topic, I ahve just read another topic of lil nicki's asking if it is ok to feed moldy hay to her mare. eek! This changes my whole aspect of things here, there is no way in h_ell that if she needed to ask this question, she should even be CONSIDERING breeding her mare!! I am very sorry if this comes across harsh, I know she will do what she wants to regarding breeding, feeding, etc. BUT, I strongly feel taht seh needs to learn a whole lot more on basic horse care before she brings another horse into this world. frown

[Blistering Winds]

I second that with you Spyro.

[QHGirl]

I too agree Spyro1 and BW!!

The questions that she has asked has been nothing that an experienced horse person should be asking... PLEASE do not bring another horse into this world. Spend time with your horse, teach YOUR horse how to do things, and if my memory is right, you said you are the ONLY horse person for MILES!!! If you need help with a baby... who is going to help you???? NO ONE. You will need help. Who is going to walk momma and baby, help load in trailer in case they are sick... etc...

I agree... you should learn more about your horses health and focus on the 2 you already have!!!

Just becasue you have worked on a breeding farm doesn't mean you are at all ready for it yourself. I used to live on a breeding farm, dad was manager, we lived there, did all breeding and foaling, I worked my tail off, pulled babies out that needed help, etc... BUT I don't even think I am ready for that responsibility and I am 26 years old. I have seen tooo many problems with foaling out... We used to have 50-60 a year foal out... TRUST ME it can be dangerous and VERY expensive!!!!

[KatesFox]

If I were you, I'd concentrate on the baby you have now, teach her, there is NO NEED for another horse if you have 2 and are just breeding because you 'want to'. You have a BEAUTIFUL baby, and I'd say you should concentrate on her, and bond and train her for what ever you want her to do...

[harli36]

Breeding and raising a foal is something that only an experienced horseperson should attempt. Something that I find very hard to believe that your average 10 year old could handle. Lil Nicky judging from the way that you don't even know you can't feed moldy hay I don't think your ready for breeding. Not feeding moldy hay is as basic as horsemanship gets. YOu may think your raising your horses fine now but wait until you see the world a little more. I'm sure you'll see flaws in how you raised the baby you have as you get older and learn more. SO do your horses a favor and learn before you do.

[lil nicky]

have seen two of the most level headed, sweetest, horses bred and the resulting colt was the meanest b_astard you have ever met. There are no gaurantees when breeding, not for color, not for gender, not for confirmation, adn certainly not for temperment.

1)No but if you spend alot of time with your your foal....it is more than likly to happen. I have had a saddle on my yearling many many times. Friends have saddled her. MY babysister who is 2 years old has sat on her for a few minutes or so and she ok ok. Yesterday when my yearling was lying down, i sat on ( more like leaning) but im not very heavy and im only 5`2 but fact is you can do ANYTHING in the word with that horse she even stops and walkes on command. My vet and the studs owner have all commented!!!! so there.

2)For the moldy hay look it up again. I did say that i was NOT the one who worded it because my acctual question was slightly differant.

3)There was only one reply that was didnt make me FEEL LIKE DIRT!! alot of you guys should maybe be carefull what you say because it may come across really harsh.on the internett you know? If you guys could maybe also point out the positives along with the negatives i would really respect what you have to say. From the way you respond many of you seem like rich snobs. Judging my financhial situation. You do not know how much experiance i have so you cannont judge that either.Also I have always worked with arabs but would like to have a foal that looks a lil stocky because I live out in the country now not the expensive boarding stables. I do not know alot about paints and pintos and tabianos but you guys took a little mistake to heart and made such a fuzz out of I almost couldnt believe it . you know .. lol I meant to quickly ask ya'll a question. After my comp crashed 4 times i didnt pay much attention to it anymore and it wasnt mean to be picked apart like that
4)as far as my mares physical conditon goes it has been confirmed by my vet and who ever comented on it i think it was spyro1 but I could be wrong but it was the same person who commented on my financial situation (which was really rude and uncalled for), you should not assume things. It would be nice to ask or at least if you are not sure give a pro and con ok?!

<small>[ March 13, 2004, 02:07 PM: Message edited by: lil nicky ]</small>

[MissBandit]

Lil Nicky,

Forgive me, but even thou you say it was a sibling that got hold of your log in and password - you still asked if it was Ok to feed moldy hay to a horse that was not pregnant. I'm not quoting exactly, but you basically said that you heard if it wasn't done too often, then it would be ok.

That is totally wrong. I hope you read my post in the health section.
As a matter of fact, I will copy a portion of that here for the benefit of other readers that are interested...

"Mold has spores, they reach out with long tenticles. Think of bread. You find the top piece has a moldy green spot. You look through the entire loaf and find that every single piece will have a mold spot in the same place right down to the end piece. So, even if you THINK there is only a little mold - it has travelled through the entire bale."

I have no comment on your breeding issue. I'll leave that to the experts on that topic.

<small>[ March 13, 2004, 02:11 PM: Message edited by: MissBandit ]</small>

[lil nicky]

thank you! I already answear your feeding one too. yes i was told as long as the horse is not in foal it is ok. that is what i was told however i did not believe it so i re-assured is that ok with you guys? maybe you should think about that i had enough commen sense to ask around more than to listen to someone I really look up to. someone who has been in the business for 20 + years. No need to comment on that person by the way

<small>[ March 13, 2004, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: lil nicky ]</small>