[Cinjunm]

Wow, sounds like someone needs their behind paddled.

I'm brand new here, but I must agree with BW and others on this matter.

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[AnnaBelle02]

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I'm sorry these are tears of joy - my mare is pregnant and she is getting so huge and I'm so excited and emotional (happy) and your foal is such a little darling! I can't wait for my mare to have her's.
Sorry just a little excited.....

[bay_blnd jmpr07]

i have a question about registration in the QH and Paint world. do both the sire and dam have to be registered to register the foal? or just the sire, or just the dam? i kno in the Oldenburg world(warmbloods in general) have to have both parents regitered at least as a Sporthorse and mares normally have to be in the Main Mare Book. is this the same as QH's and Pintos?

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[HalterGirl_88]

yes to register a QH or Paint both parents have to be registered with accepted outside registries, ex QH-QH or TB Paint- QH, TB, or Paint.

[bay_blnd jmpr07]

ok, thank you!!

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[showjumper]

lil nicky:
yea can you not have a quarterhorse who has a tabiano pattern?!?!?!

YES YOU CAN- paint is a TYPE of horse NOT a breed!

[Blistering Winds]

Guess what, I looked it up, contacted the AQHA.

To date, a white area beyond the stated lines cannot be registered with the AQHA. Never could. So if you have a "double registered" horse, somehow that horse got around the red tape by fraud of somekind. (not going to argue, but this is what AQHA has stated to me)

UNTIL the end of this year, a new rule has been approved by the committees BUT still has to go to the Executive committee in April. Any AQHA number to AQHA number that produces a painted foal or excessive white AND has been parentage verified CAN be registered. BUT, there is a statement going in the rule book as well that this is an UNDESIRABLE TRAIT that can and probably will be penalized in both Halter and Performance classes. So don't be suprised if you have a AQHA horse with excessive white, do awesome, and still not place very well. The committee wanted that in because AQHA is a "SOLID COLOR" breed. (Reason the APHA was started all those years ago

As for the comment of Paints being a color and not a breed, PAINT is a Breed. PINTO is a color. PAINT has been a breed, pretty much can state they were once quarter horses and still pretty much are. The Paint horse association came about when the AQHA decided Excessive white was not desired, and kicked all excessive white horses out. Those breeders got ticked, and started up the APHA. AQHA ONLY allows AQHA numbers, Jockey Club numbers and Appendix numbered horses into the breed association.
Their website is www.aqha.com

APHA to date, only allows APHA numbers, AQHA numbers, and Jockey Club numbers in the Standard registry. These are of a STOCK HORSE Breed.
You can see their info at www.apha.com

The Pinto Association is a Color breed. Any horse displaying the painted pattern, Appaloosa, or any other "color pattern" can be registered with them, whether they are Ponies, Hunters, Warmbloods, Stock horses, etc.
You can see their info at www.pinto.org

[spyro1]

Lil Nicky, I think some very, very sound advice has been given to you from some very experienced horse people. Try to over look what may come across to you as harsh, and instead, look at it as words of wisdom from people who have experienced a lot. I, personally, wouldn't breed the mare either, here are my reasons:
1) She doesn't sound like she in the greatest health, bone spavin, arthritis, her age, all going against her even *taking*. Not too mention the added stress of the extra weight during pregnancy.
2) You stated that you want to breed her because you want to breed for great minds and dispositions, well, I personally, have seen two of the most level headed, sweetest, horses bred and the resulting colt was the meanest b_astard you have ever met. There are no gaurantees when breeding, not for color, not for gender, not for confirmation, adn certainly not for temperment.
3) While I don't know your financial situation, really none of my bees wax, I dont' think that you are prepared money wise for any pending emergencies that could arise with your mare foaling out, especially with her being older. Are you prepared for the basics of breeding?/ The culture before breeding, the ultrasounds and palpations, the pnumabort shots and extra nutrition during pregnancy? 4) While I admire your gung ho attitude on the whole breeding thing, there is A LOT to learn about it, it is not something to be taken lightly, the first of things to learn is breeding registry rules. I think that you should be very, very familiar with the breed registry and their rules before you even THINK about breeding into it. There are so many foals out there that already need homes, why contribute to the industry??

[HalterGirl_88]

"So if you have a "double registered" horse, somehow that horse got around the red tape by fraud of somekind. (not going to argue, but this is what AQHA has stated to me)"

That's a bunch of BS, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it can't be done, HELLO, there are quite a few double registered horses and it's obviously not "fraud" So maybe you need to call up the AQHA you seem to be so buddy buddy with and have them explain double registry to you since you obviously don't believe it when someone else tries to!

[Blistering Winds]

I DID call AQHA. THey told me that if there was excess white beyond the lines, there is no way they could have been legally registered with them. If there are double registered horses, they told me that the AQHA was not informed of the white beyond the lines.

NOw, if APHA somehow registered a horse with not enough white but with full AQHA parents, I cannot speak for them. But from what I remember, their lines begin where AQHA lines end generally. I can only say what AQHA rules are and what they told me on it. I personally know people who were very active in fighting AQHA on their white rule for years. And they pretty much have finally won. The excess white rule is being changed hopefully this year. Only waiting on the final executive approval since it has passed the committees. But it has been that way since the beginning. The reason APHA was started was because of the excess white rule.

So if you do have a Double Registered APHA/AQHA. Great. But I STILL do not know how you can based upon the AQHA side of the rules. Tell me the rule in the book that allows the 2" white mark that APHA requires that you say AQHA allows. Cause I know APHA requires 2" beyond the lines, which start around the AQHA lines of white. Which is the distinguishing charateristic to separate the Paints and Quarter Horses.