Look at my mare...Should I re-breed?

luvmypercheron · 02-28-2004, 05:52 PM

if you wnt a foal so bad why don't you adopt a PMU???? they aren't expensive and you'd be giving in a good home. you can get paints and pintos thru PMU adoption.

Blistering Winds · 02-28-2004, 07:57 PM

To Date, A "painted" quarter horse is not allowed registration. This is why the Paint Horse exist. And they are VERY proud of their association so DO NOT call a PAINT a Quarter Horse. Yes the lines are derived from the same horses, BUT, when AQHA banned the colored horses from the association, the PAINT horse became a "BREED" of it's own. SO THERE IS NO PAINTED QUARTER HORSES. (I am both a paint and qh person, and proud of BOTH Breeds)

How anyone can have a double registered Paint and QH is new to me because according to the rules, 227-g

No horse is eligible for registration which possesses markings or condition characteristics of a Paint, Pinto, or Appaloosa whether or not such markings or condition, or could be, the result of inherited traits, or of an organic or abnormal physical condition. Once registered, should a horse develop such markings or conditions, the registration may be revoked. ...etc...

NOW, this rule is in debate in the conference almost every year. There are horses that have been showing throw backs to the origional with more and more white. I personally know 2 full blooded QH, solid with little to no white markings threw a very FlASHY paint. This was a LIVE cover, mare has never been exposed or CHANCED exposed and foal has been DNA'd to PROVE to AQHA the parentage. But because of these rules, the horse cannot be registered AQHA.

Anyone with double registries with AQHA and APHA have broken many rules in the associations and can be subjected with loss of registration and any points earned or possible prizes earned revoked.

lil nicky · 02-28-2004, 08:10 PM

so what your saying is: a quarter horse that is painted can not be registered as a quarterhorse but only as a paint. I'm guessing that they are both of the same worth anyways so to me its no differance. The reason I'm breeding? because I want to go through that foaling process again. That means from getting ready to breed to foaling and teaching my foal the basics. I want to be a prefessional breeder and this is GOOd experiance for me. I vollunteer at stables to help with this but its just NOT the same.

HalterGirl_88 · 02-28-2004, 08:11 PM

BW-That's not quite true. Horses CAN be double registered AQHA and APHA. If they have the proper 2" for Paint and are under the max for QH and have the white in certain places they can be reg. in both and show in both without going against any rules of either association.

Lil Nicky-I'm sorry but that is the most horrible reason I can think of to breed a horse!! You do not breed to "practice", you get practice by learning from a breeding farm or someone that knows what their doing!

<small>[ February 28, 2004, 09:14 PM: Message edited by: HalterGirl_88 ]</small>

luvmypercheron · 02-28-2004, 08:41 PM

imo, i would stay helping out at a breeding farm. you shouldn't breed just for the **** of it. not a good reason. it's not fair to the foal. and if you want that process why were you asked for a foal in canada? and if you want a "backyard" horse (which i don't agree with) why does it matter if you can register it? and breeding to a stallion because your dad's friend with his owner isn't a viable reason imo.

it's a lot less costly to you if you work on a breeding farm. you'll gain experience that way. i know breeders who started out working on someone else's farm and now are very successful

<small>[ February 28, 2004, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: luvmypercheron ]</small>

harli36 · 02-29-2004, 05:32 AM

So you want experience huh? Why don't you go ahead and breed your mare then and train the foal etc. But then go down to the nearest slaughter house and see what happens to all of the excess babies. Go through the whole process that they go through and see what it's like. Right now the horse market is flooded and it's keeping the slaughter companies in buisness. Why add to the problem? Your forgeting a very important part about the breeding buisness...Good breeders are concerned about the welfare of the animals that they bring into this world. Foals are like childeren and because of domestication we are responsible for them. Don't breed just because your mare is a mare!

Painted Love · 02-29-2004, 05:46 AM

I agree with not breeding your mare. If you want practice, many farms would gladly let you help and you might even get paid!

My mare is awesome...great lines, double registered, and she always wins. She was bred when I bought her and her foal is twice as nice as she is...and I don't want to breed her again.

Why? Because, after you pay for the stud and all the vet fees and special stuff, you have spent more than what you would have spent on an awesome weanling that is registered and everything.

And more times than not, the unregistered weanlings end up at the slaughter house. Why? Because people can buy a registerable weanling for the same amount...sometimes less.

Jumpers · 02-29-2004, 06:08 AM

Quote:

lil nicky:
ok pinto works too. lol. I just want a backyard foal. I would sell it cheap as a weanling you know.

Sorry to say this but most SERIOUS horseman(women) are not going to want a cheap, unregistered "backyard foal" as you put it. When I look for a horse I look for quality, bloodlines, registration, temperment, and so on. I don't want a mixed up mutt that's the product of somebody's backyard breeding. That is my PERSONAL OPINION and perhaps others view it differently. But that's just me.

And I think there are SO many unregistered, $300 backyard foals out there that people could go to any feed lot and pick up 6 of them any time they choose. Why do you want to create another?

Jumpers · 02-29-2004, 06:10 AM

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EventingDayDream:
so if you breed 2 registrered QH's and the foal comes out with a pinto pattern it can't be registered as a QH?? I never knew that! I though it would be a QH with pinto coloring... had no idea it had to be registered as a paint

Nope. It definitely does not work that way! A QH with pinto markings cannot be registered with the AQHA.

EventingDayDream · 02-29-2004, 07:01 AM

Thanks for the info BW, Jumpers, and anyone who responded to my question. Haltergirl, you said they can be double registered w/o breaking any rules... can you explain how?

02-28-2004, 07:57 PM	#32
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 31,724 Images: 814 Blog Entries: 16	To Date, A "painted" quarter horse is not allowed registration. This is why the Paint Horse exist. And they are VERY proud of their association so DO NOT call a PAINT a Quarter Horse. Yes the lines are derived from the same horses, BUT, when AQHA banned the colored horses from the association, the PAINT horse became a "BREED" of it's own. SO THERE IS NO PAINTED QUARTER HORSES. (I am both a paint and qh person, and proud of BOTH Breeds) How anyone can have a double registered Paint and QH is new to me because according to the rules, 227-g No horse is eligible for registration which possesses markings or condition characteristics of a Paint, Pinto, or Appaloosa whether or not such markings or condition, or could be, the result of inherited traits, or of an organic or abnormal physical condition. Once registered, should a horse develop such markings or conditions, the registration may be revoked. ...etc... NOW, this rule is in debate in the conference almost every year. There are horses that have been showing throw backs to the origional with more and more white. I personally know 2 full blooded QH, solid with little to no white markings threw a very FlASHY paint. This was a LIVE cover, mare has never been exposed or CHANCED exposed and foal has been DNA'd to PROVE to AQHA the parentage. But because of these rules, the horse cannot be registered AQHA. Anyone with double registries with AQHA and APHA have broken many rules in the associations and can be subjected with loss of registration and any points earned or possible prizes earned revoked. __________________ 20 lb club: New year Start: 175 Goal: 130 Current: 158 Total loss this year 17 lbs.

02-29-2004, 05:32 AM	#36
harli36 Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: northeastern Pa Posts: 4,265 Images: 42	So you want experience huh? Why don't you go ahead and breed your mare then and train the foal etc. But then go down to the nearest slaughter house and see what happens to all of the excess babies. Go through the whole process that they go through and see what it's like. Right now the horse market is flooded and it's keeping the slaughter companies in buisness. Why add to the problem? Your forgeting a very important part about the breeding buisness...Good breeders are concerned about the welfare of the animals that they bring into this world. Foals are like childeren and because of domestication we are responsible for them. Don't breed just because your mare is a mare! __________________ The Morgan Horse! Everything else is just a horse. http://www.morganhorse.com/

02-29-2004, 07:01 AM	#40
EventingDayDream Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 3,523 Images: 75	Thanks for the info BW, Jumpers, and anyone who responded to my question. Haltergirl, you said they can be double registered w/o breaking any rules... can you explain how? __________________ BAYLOREQUESTRIAN "Sic Em Bears!" OBAMA/BIDEN '08

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02-28-2004, 05:52 PM	#31
luvmypercheron Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,524 Images: 184	if you wnt a foal so bad why don't you adopt a PMU???? they aren't expensive and you'd be giving in a good home. you can get paints and pintos thru PMU adoption.

02-28-2004, 08:10 PM	#33
lil nicky Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 514 Images: 16	so what your saying is: a quarter horse that is painted can not be registered as a quarterhorse but only as a paint. I'm guessing that they are both of the same worth anyways so to me its no differance. The reason I'm breeding? because I want to go through that foaling process again. That means from getting ready to breed to foaling and teaching my foal the basics. I want to be a prefessional breeder and this is GOOd experiance for me. I vollunteer at stables to help with this but its just NOT the same.

02-28-2004, 08:11 PM	#34
HalterGirl_88 Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,611	BW-That's not quite true. Horses CAN be double registered AQHA and APHA. If they have the proper 2" for Paint and are under the max for QH and have the white in certain places they can be reg. in both and show in both without going against any rules of either association. Lil Nicky-I'm sorry but that is the most horrible reason I can think of to breed a horse!! You do not breed to "practice", you get practice by learning from a breeding farm or someone that knows what their doing! <small>[ February 28, 2004, 09:14 PM: Message edited by: HalterGirl_88 ]</small>

02-28-2004, 08:41 PM	#35
luvmypercheron Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,524 Images: 184	imo, i would stay helping out at a breeding farm. you shouldn't breed just for the **** of it. not a good reason. it's not fair to the foal. and if you want that process why were you asked for a foal in canada? and if you want a "backyard" horse (which i don't agree with) why does it matter if you can register it? and breeding to a stallion because your dad's friend with his owner isn't a viable reason imo. it's a lot less costly to you if you work on a breeding farm. you'll gain experience that way. i know breeders who started out working on someone else's farm and now are very successful <small>[ February 28, 2004, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: luvmypercheron ]</small>

02-29-2004, 05:46 AM	#37
Painted Love Full Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 162	I agree with not breeding your mare. If you want practice, many farms would gladly let you help and you might even get paid! My mare is awesome...great lines, double registered, and she always wins. She was bred when I bought her and her foal is twice as nice as she is...and I don't want to breed her again. Why? Because, after you pay for the stud and all the vet fees and special stuff, you have spent more than what you would have spent on an awesome weanling that is registered and everything. And more times than not, the unregistered weanlings end up at the slaughter house. Why? Because people can buy a registerable weanling for the same amount...sometimes less.