Well the deal with Mantooth didnt work out for me. I festered over the price he was charging me for her and the fact that he wouldnt change the price because he knew I would pay it made me mad. He was like a used car salesman. So I went to the origonal seller that I wanted to go to and found a lovely horse named Freedom that was priced significantly lower. She is really skinny though and needs some good groceries. But her temperment is nice and she rides nice and slow. I will post more when she comes home.