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    Question Join up with no round pen?

    I've recently taken on the challege of teaching a almost 2 yr old gelding some ground manners. He's a draft paint cross and is huge aready. He isn't at my barn yet but I've been reading up about joining up and what not, but it all involves a roundpen. We have a large indoor arena and no round pen. we have smaller paddocks but its snowy and the footing is terrible. How do I go about joining up if I have no round pen? Comments or articles would be helpful. This gelding is VERY pushy and in your face. The owners are afraid of him because they are older and don't want to risk injury. Thanks for your comments in advance.
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    do you have an electric fence? when we didn't have a roundpen, I made one in one corner of the arena with some plastic step-in fenceposts and electric fence wire, and joined it in to our electric fence. It worked great for doing join-up and things like that. Later I was able to just use baling twine instead of step-ins, for the same effect (because my horse respects anything that looks like a live wire.)

    Although you can still use the same join-up principle if you don't have a roundpen. you'll just have to do a LOT more running! It would be ideal if you could block off half of your arena somehow. But basically, take a lunge whip out there and just run the tar out of that gelding. Do not let him stop of his own accord--run him until he is tired and is clearly asking to stop, then run him some more, and finally let him stop when it's YOUR idea. After that try to approach him. If he lets you approach, give him some love. If he turns away or makes a nasty face, make him work hard again.
    Rinse. Repeat. End only when he lets you approach and love on him on your terms. That might take an hour or two the first session.

    Your second session start out the same way. This time when you approach and love on him, when you walk away act as if you want him to follow. Maybe cluck to him, imagine you're leading him (it might even help to hold out your hands like you have an imaginary rope. If he doesn't follow, go back and scratch his withers or whatever some more. Try to entice him to come along. This might take a while--might not even happen in the first session. Try to be obvious with your body language.

    You can do this activity in anything from an arena to a turn-out to a roundpen--the roundpen is where it is easiest because you don't have as much room to travel. I hope you're in good shape because if you're not in a roundpen you'll be doing a lot of running after him.

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    Mk I have NO idea if this is right or not but in my experience I HAVE done join up without a round pen with my friends bossy little mare. I am NOT a trainer lol in any way but one day I was bored...soooo...
    I took my friends mare into her little rectangle arena and started to lunge (no whip) her I started to push her away and keep her goin in a circle for a little bit then after a bit she started licking and chewing and i turned away and she came up to me and so I started walking round the arena with the little mare following me.

    After a little bit I unclipped the lunge line and then just kept lunging her without the line and she moved around with the invisible line on the same track as she was on when I lunged her.

    I have no idea if this is normal or right but it worked I guess.... Hope this kinda helps, hope you understand=D
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    It would take more work, but Monty Robberts joined up with Shy Boy without a round pen. I think its possible to do it but it will take more time. If you have any moveable pannels its not very hard to set them up in a round pen. If you can, I would make it about 40-50 foot across. Good luck with him.
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    I am going to say this with all the compassion and sensitivity I can.

    It's darn hard to train a horse without the correct equipment.
    You are going to get real frustrated without a pen to work in.

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    Here is a suggestion.....I start my 2 yo with two lunge lines. One on the inside and one on the outside. The line on the outside goes from the halter, down the body, and just above the hocks. The oustide line is used to keep the horse (1) away from you and (2) as a forward moving tool. When he wants to come into the circle, use the o/s line and pull just a little to get his nose going in the right direction. I could try to get a video if you would like to see it working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18thTomorrow View Post
    do you have an electric fence? when we didn't have a roundpen, I made one in one corner of the arena with some plastic step-in fenceposts and electric fence wire, and joined it in to our electric fence. It worked great for doing join-up and things like that. Later I was able to just use baling twine instead of step-ins, for the same effect (because my horse respects anything that looks like a live wire.)

    Although you can still use the same join-up principle if you don't have a roundpen. you'll just have to do a LOT more running! It would be ideal if you could block off half of your arena somehow. But basically, take a lunge whip out there and just run the tar out of that gelding. Do not let him stop of his own accord--run him until he is tired and is clearly asking to stop, then run him some more, and finally let him stop when it's YOUR idea. After that try to approach him. If he lets you approach, give him some love. If he turns away or makes a nasty face, make him work hard again.
    Rinse. Repeat. End only when he lets you approach and love on him on your terms. That might take an hour or two the first session.

    Your second session start out the same way. This time when you approach and love on him, when you walk away act as if you want him to follow. Maybe cluck to him, imagine you're leading him (it might even help to hold out your hands like you have an imaginary rope. If he doesn't follow, go back and scratch his withers or whatever some more. Try to entice him to come along. This might take a while--might not even happen in the first session. Try to be obvious with your body language.

    You can do this activity in anything from an arena to a turn-out to a roundpen--the roundpen is where it is easiest because you don't have as much room to travel. I hope you're in good shape because if you're not in a roundpen you'll be doing a lot of running after him.
    Where he is at right now he is in an eletric fenc. He has been in one his whole life. At my barn we don't have any eletric fences. I could try to use bailing twine and put it in a corner and see how that goes. Our arena is so big it would be crazy to try to chase him around it lol. But if the bailing twine doesn't work I'll try chasing him around the arena. I guess that'll get me in shape LOL.

    Quote Originally Posted by canadiancharlie View Post
    Mk I have NO idea if this is right or not but in my experience I HAVE done join up without a round pen with my friends bossy little mare. I am NOT a trainer lol in any way but one day I was bored...soooo...
    I took my friends mare into her little rectangle arena and started to lunge (no whip) her I started to push her away and keep her goin in a circle for a little bit then after a bit she started licking and chewing and i turned away and she came up to me and so I started walking round the arena with the little mare following me.

    After a little bit I unclipped the lunge line and then just kept lunging her without the line and she moved around with the invisible line on the same track as she was on when I lunged her.

    I have no idea if this is normal or right but it worked I guess.... Hope this kinda helps, hope you understand=D
    Good luck!
    I was thinking something like this. But I wasn't sure if it would have the same effect as a round pen has.

    Quote Originally Posted by barrel_racer64 View Post
    It would take more work, but Monty Robberts joined up with Shy Boy without a round pen. I think its possible to do it but it will take more time. If you have any moveable pannels its not very hard to set them up in a round pen. If you can, I would make it about 40-50 foot across. Good luck with him.
    We do have round pen panels but they're being used as other things. A couple of them are used to keep the horses out of the shavings pile in the indoor arena. And the others are being used to keep the horses out of a certain part of the barn yard. So I doubt my boss would let me move them in the arena lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by MuckMuck View Post
    I am going to say this with all the compassion and sensitivity I can.

    It's darn hard to train a horse without the correct equipment.
    You are going to get real frustrated without a pen to work in.
    I hear what your saying so I came here for so help. I'm gonna try as best as I can.
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    If you have large amounts of jumps, you could fence off one corner of the arena with jumps about 1.3 meters high, just like 2 poles per fence, with a half meter gap in between jumps, but this will need alot of jumps!

    At one of my old riding schools, if it rained the instructors would divide the indoor arena with jumps, it took about 8 to go across half of a 60x20 arena (I asume that is the size of your arena) and you were left with a 30x20 arena which is about the size of your average 20 meter round yard (a bit bigger!)
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