[gluey33]

Hey CTJazz Its getting better. I really liked the look of him in the photo when you were trotting out long and low. Hie looked to be really using his bum. In b's second video did you notice how much she was driving with those legs. You really need to sit down in that saddle and push him up into that bit like she was doing. AT the start of your first video you were looking pretty good but seemed to lose it a little. Remember Drive Drive Drive with those legs, Soften in the hands but keep the force coming with the legs a bit longer.
But really you ARE improving

[Bernardo]

Originally Posted by gluey33

Hey CTJazz Its getting better. I really liked the look of him in the photo when you were trotting out long and low. Hie looked to be really using his bum. In b's second video did you notice how much she was driving with those legs. You really need to sit down in that saddle and push him up into that bit like she was doing. AT the start of your first video you were looking pretty good but seemed to lose it a little. Remember Drive Drive Drive with those legs, Soften in the hands but keep the force coming with the legs a bit longer.
But really you ARE improving

Couldn't have said it better myself

[gluey33]

Originally Posted by bernardo

Couldn't have said it better myself

thankyou

[Care To Jazz?]

thanks everyone I'll try to drive more, but he is soooo sensitive, if I start bumping he's going to start trotting and I'll need to post so I won't have that much driving power with my legs if I post. I was squeeze with my calfs the whole time, I'm scared if I bump too much I might accidently poke him with my spurs.

[gluey33]

Originally Posted by Care To Jazz?

thanks everyone I'll try to drive more, but he is soooo sensitive, if I start bumping he's going to start trotting and I'll need to post so I won't have that much driving power with my legs if I post. I was squeeze with my calfs the whole time, I'm scared if I bump too much I might accidently poke him with my spurs.

Even if he speeds up sit it out and push, use your hands to slow and lift, This is when he will really start to come under and understand that you don't want faster but for him to move differently. By posting you are just giving him a signal to go faster and yes just keep using those calves until you can't feel them anymore.lol If you are worried about your spurs for this exersize it wont hurt to take them off. When he's getting a bit better at it and it doesn't require as much force or you want to work on other movements then put them back on. I used to only use them on one of my horses when i wanted to teach him some lateral movements cause he was pretty sensitive to.

[Bernardo]

Originally Posted by gluey33

Even if he speeds up sit it out and push, use your hands to slow and lift, This is when he will really start to come under and understand that you don't want faster but for him to move differently. By posting you are just giving him a signal to go faster and yes just keep using those calves until you can't feel them anymore.lol If you are worried about your spurs for this exersize it wont hurt to take them off. When he's getting a bit better at it and it doesn't require as much force or you want to work on other movements then put them back on. I used to only use them on one of my horses when i wanted to teach him some lateral movements cause he was pretty sensitive to.

Again excellent adivice ahha

Don't worry about the speed, in reining it doesn't matter that much. The way you lope around on him anyways I'd considered slow circle speed so it won't hurt at all to go faster :P

[dotgotcalm]

Originally Posted by Bernardo

Really, we use our counter canter to help school the lead change. Even teach it. I think it encourages the horse to change. But then again my horse has a solid lead change one him ahha

Although you might be right with Jazz, it seems her leans into the counter canter inside of picking himself up so it might not be the exercise for him yet!

I think we probably use the counter canter pretty much the same way in teaching lead changes. The counter canter is basically the "negative" one gets when he fails to change. If I ask for a change and he doesn't give it rather than beat and bang on him I simply frame him up and counter canter him for a bit before asking for a change again. Since the counter canter is hard work for him he should soon realize that it's just easier to change leads when asked. With that in mind when I get a horse who's comfortable with the counter canter......well, it takes a good teaching tool out of my bag because it's no longer a big negative for him. Are we coming at this in basically the same way?

Wow! Once again this thread has gotten off course. In all fairness to some of the posters the title of this new thread doesn't make it clear that we're talking about training a reiner here but really.......this is becoming a little much. If someone wants to have a debate on which training methods work and which don't then by all means start another thread.

The exercise Bernardo is trying to teach Jazz DOES work. I don't have to argue theory with anyone regarding this because I know it works. I've been using it for well over 15 years. If you've never seen it done then I'd have to guess that you've never been around any reining barns because every reining trainer I know uses this exercise. It's as basic to us as the half halt is to english trainers.

Now, could we get back to training a reiner?

[Care To Jazz?]

thanks gluey and doggotcalm, great posts
OK I'll try to get some more videos today if it doesn't rain. And good idea, I'll just take the spurs of haha. I'm just so used to having them on now for back up that I feel useless without them!

[dotgotcalm]

Jazz, found this video and thought you might like to see it. Pretty nice exercise for starting a young horse in the turn around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEtpjYU3TtI&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEtpjYU3TtI&feature=related

[lilrider]

High hands are one thing, while I may not agree with it I am not a reiner. But I noticed in the trotting video that your hands are very busy and unsteady. They are bouncing, more in some spots than in others. I think because you are bouncing a little at the trot and your hands are following. You say that Jazz is very sensitive and soft mouthed, which means you need to quiet down your hands or you are giving him mixed signals and probably aggravating and confusing him.