is it always like this?

JBandRio · 06-30-2009, 09:30 AM

It has nothing to do with jumping. You can find this human behavior in barrel racing and reining and any other discipline out there.

txgray · 06-30-2009, 09:32 AM

If the steward/judge deems it as abuse, yes you can be eliminated. I have seen it happen multiple times. Smacking in front of the shoulder (ie: head), or excessively, are both really good ways to get asked to leave. Do it multiple times and you're asking for even more trouble.

Again: C'mon people! You know there's rules in every discipline for stuff like this. Doesn't mean you won't see it or hear horror stories every now and then. When people get desperate, they get stupid.

Vegashorselady · 06-30-2009, 10:14 AM

Well the riders in that video were awful, however, you can't judge the entire sport on one video that was obviously made to showcase the worst of the worst. I've seen riders in all disciplines do things I would never do.

notanumber · 06-30-2009, 10:19 AM

Ugh . . . I found that so uncomfortable to watch. Stopped 1/3 way through.

cinchmagazine · 06-30-2009, 10:20 AM

Unfortunately, these riders would likely have received no penalties, and the judges would probably not have reprimanded them. Sadly, in the bigger circuits some people believe that is 'training.' Obviously, this is not such, and just becomes a form for riders to take out their frustration for their own lack of training, or poor preparation.

Usually you see this with people who have nasty tempers. Similar things happen in any equestrian sport (mainly during private training). Jumpers, for some odd reason, seem to be immune to negativity from this 'training'.

I compete jumpers, but I choose not to be around those who treat their horses like such, and will often have a word with them...usually they're not happy to have other people poking in to 'their business.'

In fact, just last weekend I saw a rider competing a dead lame horse in an advanced division. The judge, nor any competitors did nothing...I'm still disgusted by my sport...

Saph · 06-30-2009, 10:24 AM

In South Africa (and I think in all FEI affiliated shows), you cannot hit a horse overhand without getting disqualified, you cannot smack him more than once if he has run out, and you cannot hit him if you have been eliminated, and a whole lots of other rules in a similar vein, which I think are great.

I don't know where they found those riders, but they seem to be seriously screwed in the head, or psycopathic.

cinchmagazine · 06-30-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Saph

In South Africa (and I think in all FEI affiliated shows), you cannot hit a horse overhand without getting disqualified, you cannot smack him more than once if he has run out, and you cannot hit him if you have been eliminated, and a whole lots of other rules in a similar vein, which I think are great.

I don't know where they found those riders, but they seem to be seriously screwed in the head, or psycopathic.

Our rules really need to be updated here in Canada for smaller shows too. Usually, you don't see things to this extreme...but when they happen no one seems to enforce them.

txgray · 06-30-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cinchmagazine

The judge, nor any competitors did nothing...I'm still disgusted by my sport...

Did you do anything?

Maybe Canada needs to crack down on this kind of thing, because I have seen people excused/reprimanded for this stuff many times down here at rated shows. Even at our local shows a time or two.

cinchmagazine · 06-30-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by txgray

Did you do anything?

Maybe Canada needs to crack down on this kind of thing, because I have seen people excused/reprimanded for this stuff many times down here at rated shows. Even at our local shows a time or two.

Yes. I went to talk to the judge and show manager. They just shrugged their shoulders and said they were competing in another show tomorrow (the horse/rider) and needed to 'prepare'.

I have yet to see someone be excused from a show down here, then again it usually doesn't happen very often.

txgray · 06-30-2009, 10:37 AM

sounds like you might need to write some letters to your association, and have other like-minded people do the same. the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

06-30-2009, 09:30 AM	#11
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 32,004 Images: 196 Blog Entries: 12	It has nothing to do with jumping. You can find this human behavior in barrel racing and reining and any other discipline out there. __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173)

06-30-2009, 10:24 AM	#16
Saph Full Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Africa Posts: 247 Images: 62	In South Africa (and I think in all FEI affiliated shows), you cannot hit a horse overhand without getting disqualified, you cannot smack him more than once if he has run out, and you cannot hit him if you have been eliminated, and a whole lots of other rules in a similar vein, which I think are great. I don't know where they found those riders, but they seem to be seriously screwed in the head, or psycopathic. __________________ There are only two emotions that belong in the saddle; one is a sense of humour and the other is patience. John Lyons

06-30-2009, 09:32 AM	#12
txgray Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: greater Austin, TX Posts: 2,418 Images: 76 Blog Entries: 1	If the steward/judge deems it as abuse, yes you can be eliminated. I have seen it happen multiple times. Smacking in front of the shoulder (ie: head), or excessively, are both really good ways to get asked to leave. Do it multiple times and you're asking for even more trouble. Again: C'mon people! You know there's rules in every discipline for stuff like this. Doesn't mean you won't see it or hear horror stories every now and then. When people get desperate, they get stupid.

06-30-2009, 10:14 AM	#13
Vegashorselady Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Nevada Posts: 60 Images: 3	Well the riders in that video were awful, however, you can't judge the entire sport on one video that was obviously made to showcase the worst of the worst. I've seen riders in all disciplines do things I would never do.

06-30-2009, 10:19 AM	#14
notanumber Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 951 Images: 76	Ugh . . . I found that so uncomfortable to watch. Stopped 1/3 way through.

06-30-2009, 10:20 AM	#15
cinchmagazine Full Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 292	Unfortunately, these riders would likely have received no penalties, and the judges would probably not have reprimanded them. Sadly, in the bigger circuits some people believe that is 'training.' Obviously, this is not such, and just becomes a form for riders to take out their frustration for their own lack of training, or poor preparation. Usually you see this with people who have nasty tempers. Similar things happen in any equestrian sport (mainly during private training). Jumpers, for some odd reason, seem to be immune to negativity from this 'training'. I compete jumpers, but I choose not to be around those who treat their horses like such, and will often have a word with them...usually they're not happy to have other people poking in to 'their business.' In fact, just last weekend I saw a rider competing a dead lame horse in an advanced division. The judge, nor any competitors did nothing...I'm still disgusted by my sport...

06-30-2009, 10:37 AM	#20
txgray Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: greater Austin, TX Posts: 2,418 Images: 76 Blog Entries: 1	sounds like you might need to write some letters to your association, and have other like-minded people do the same. the squeaky wheel gets the grease.