[pantha11]

Originally Posted by banat

I know this is an old thread, but... I don't get it. This horse is built downhill, has nasty legs and fairly short hip. Cute expression and pretty color though. Just not something I would breed to.

I was not serious.....lo.

[Kicks]

I have a Buck Shott son (Kicks in the offspring section of Black Hills Sporthorses ). Hubby owns Rague who is Kicks' and The Riddler H's (Joker) dam.

Buck Shott's early life was hard. He was the herd sire kept in a small pen and only had mares put in with him to cover every spring (after his sire was gone) for a band of broodmares. All he did. His owner, Dave Huffman, had been an App breeder since in the 1950's and died at 90+ in 2002. His herd was sold with Kistine getting Buck Shott. Hubby bought Rague from the estate, Nov. 8, 2002, and I got the foal she was carrying (Kicks - April 26, 2003).

He is FOUNDATION through and through tracing back to horses brought to the Dakota Territory in the 1870's by Nez Perce who had escaped into Canda after the Battle of Bear Paw. They then came to the Dakota Territory when Sitting Bull returned from Canada.

She has recently redone her web site.

[Shannon]

Originally Posted by Kicks

I have a Buck Shott son (Kicks in the offspring section of Black Hills Sporthorses ). Hubby owns Rague who is Kicks' and The Riddler H's (Joker) dam.

Buck Shott's early life was hard. He was the herd sire kept in a small pen and only had mares put in with him to cover every spring (after his sire was gone) for a band of broodmares. All he did. His owner, Dave Huffman, had been an App breeder since in the 1950's and died at 90+ in 2002. His herd was sold with Kistine getting Buck Shott. Hubby bought Rague from the estate, Nov. 8, 2002, and I got the foal she was carrying (Kicks - April 26, 2003).

He is FOUNDATION through and through tracing back to horses brought to the Dakota Territory in the 1870's by Nez Perce who had escaped into Canda after the Battle of Bear Paw. They then came to the Dakota Territory when Sitting Bull returned from Canada.

She has recently redone her web site.

I saw Kicks on the Offspring page and I was thinking to myself...Kicks breeds appies doesn't she? He's a stunning horse. Thanks for the info. I'd love to see more pics of him.

[mustang_dodger]

he is a nice looking horses

[bhsporthorses]

Let me clarify the issue of Buck Shott's legs and take it for fact as I am his owner not assumptions as the other posts as they have never seen Buck Shott nor are any of those photos up close enough to clearly see what is going on.

The issue with his front legs are old breeding injuries not congenital problems.

His breeder and prior owner Mr. Dave Huffman did not handle any of his stallions or for that matter most of his broodmares. Keep in mind he grew up in the early 1900’s in SD where fences and barns were a world away and he was set in doing things the old west way. Buck Shott lived in a large pen and every spring for 5 years he put all the mares and foals in the pen with Buck Shott at the same time and left them there until he was sure all mares were bred. Needless to say Buck Shott’s front legs took a beating from kicking broodmares. When I first acquired Buck Shott we had his legs x-rayed to determine the extent of damage and to confirm whether or not they were all indeed breeding injuries or if some could be congenital before we decided to leave him a stallion. Two separate vets confirmed all were serious injuries causing calcification and some fractures from blunt force trauma on his left knee, fetlock and pastern and his right forearm and pastern. The injuries are old, some cannot be corrected and others cannot be corrected without risk. Since they do not cause him any discomfort or lameness per our vets recommendation we will not do anything as they currently only cause eye blemishes.

Coupled with no professional farrier care for the first 9 years of his life there was only so much the farrier could do to fix his feet, to this day we are still working on them.

When I first got Buck Shott his feet resembled turkey platters curled up on the sides with tears up to the coronary band, along with a severe worm infestation, 200lbs under weight, several abcessed teeth and a nasty cough from eating moldy hay. He has made a remarkable recovery since I acquired him in 2002. Although his neglect was not intentional his health was in dire straits when I got him and only so much of it was fixable after almost 10 years in that condition.

Buck Shott was shown in USDF Dressage Sport Horse Breeding class in 2005 under a well known judge and recieved a score of 69%. The judges do not count injuries unless they are from congenital conformation problems of which Buck Shott has none. They also noted on his score sheet excellent breed type.

The only comments in regards to Buck Shott's conformation as a sport horse was croup high, a little long in the back and thick in the jowel which are common trait in apps. He has easliy overcome any obstacles that those things can inhibit in dressage through correct training not too mention there are many other worse faults he could have. The proof is in his show record feel free to view it on my website at Black Hills Sporthorses there are only a handful of other ApHC horses as successful.

What is astonishing is many of you critized him for faults he does not have. A few of you noted he is croup high yet not one of you picked up on the other 2 "faults" he has.

No horse has perfect conformation as the stallion and mare owner it is up to you individually to decide which faults are acceptable and would best match the horse you are trying to breed and also its intended use. I have no problem with people disscussing my stallions conformation good or bad but you need to be discussing what he actually has not conformation faults he does not have.

Next time you see something you can't identify maybe you should contact the owner and ask, injuries happen. It would be safer than wrongfully bad mouthing someone else's horse.

Stallions are many peoples livliehood and bad mouthing them without just cause is slander and could be litigated in a court of law. So again I stress you get the facts straight before publicly slandering anyones stallion on this website.

On another note for liability to those of you who post here my photos are copyrighted as it clearly states on my website. It is illegal to copy a copyrighted photo anywhere or paste it on any website, forum or blog without express written permission. I have no problem with people putting our website link in for people to visit to reference a photo. Here lies the proplem those particular photos are the property of Susan Sexton not Black Hills Sport Horses and she has the right to defend illegal use of her material.

If anyone else would like further clarification on anything feel free to contact me at info@bhsporthorses.com

Kristine
Owner, Black Hills Sport Horses

[Super Step]

Copyrighted pictures are always removed once they are brought to our attention.
This has been done and the thread will now be moved back to the main forum.

[MyBelgianAzzy]

Originally Posted by bhsporthorses

No horse has perfect conformation as the stallion and mare owner it is up to you individually to decide which faults are acceptable and would best match the horse you are trying to breed and also its intended use. I have no problem with people disscussing my stallions conformation good or bad but you need to be discussing what he actually has not conformation faults he does not have.

That's exactly what we do here- help one another pair mare's and stallions, so the owner has more than one opinion, and unbiased opinions, as some (though of course not all) stallion owners will push their studs regardless. Additionally, what you perceive to be good conformation might not be desireable to me, and vice versa.


Stallions are many peoples livliehood and bad mouthing them without just cause is slander and could be litigated in a court of law. So again I stress you get the facts straight before publicly slandering anyones stallion on this website.

Discussing a stallion who is posted on the internet in terms of his shortcomings is not slanderous in any way. Slanderous would be saying his papers are forged, his proposed earnings are false, that the owner drugged him. Someone's opinion- that he'll ill-conformed, throws poor get, his color isn't desirable, etc. is a matter of opinion.

Welcome to HGS.

[miss machine]

No one here is intentionally "bad mouthing" this stallion, nor do any of us have a reason to. Members are merely stating their opinion, something each of them are entitled to do.

[Kicks]

Just thought I would pass it along - Buck Shott rode 5 tests today at a show and all score were between 60 and 65.

[cassidy]

hes nice to look at certainly for color but i have to say his video didnt impress me very much