I need training!

ArabianHaven · 11-03-2009, 07:58 AM

Hello, I have an Arabian gelding who knows everything about halter. He has show all over the U.S. and Canada. The problem is.... I can't do halter. Can any one give me some tips? I am only showing at local shows right now with judges who place me first even though I am not doing it right(

), but I would love to do it right. I can not get his legs perfect and to get him to step over with only his front legs moving is a pain. Any one else who tries to help me can get him to do it pefectly. It is not like hehas lack of respect for me or anything, but I just can't do it. Any tips. Thank you so much

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bnttyra · 11-03-2009, 08:31 AM

If he knows everything about halter then he should set up everytime you stop. Halter classes are not on you showing the horse but on the horse's conformation. Halter is not hard to show, you just need to jog the horse and be able to set them up correctly. Do a search for how to set up an arabian for inspection.

Or do you mean showmanship where there is a pattern? If it is showmanship and you are not doing it right and the judges are still placing you first I would be ****** as another person showing in the same class. SMS is about being precise, quick, and accurate. Every little thing counts and needs to be thought of.

Let us know which one it is as they are different and judged differently. Halter being 100% on horses conformation and SMS being 50% on handler and 50% on how horse does the pattern.

ArabianHaven · 11-03-2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bnttyra

If he knows everything about halter then he should set up everytime you stop. Halter classes are not on you showing the horse but on the horse's conformation. Halter is not hard to show, you just need to jog the horse and be able to set them up correctly. Do a search for how to set up an arabian for inspection.

Or do you mean showmanship where there is a pattern? If it is showmanship and you are not doing it right and the judges are still placing you first I would be ****** as another person showing in the same class. SMS is about being precise, quick, and accurate. Every little thing counts and needs to be thought of.

Let us know which one it is as they are different and judged differently. Halter being 100% on horses conformation and SMS being 50% on handler and 50% on how horse does the pattern.

Halter, but my horse can't "jog". He has done EP we go into the ring with our biggest trot. So, there is a difference between the two

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He knows what to do, but I just can't give him the cues correctly.

Blondehorse · 11-03-2009, 01:54 PM

Lol... Arabian halter horses do anything BUT jog in the halter ring!

ArabianHaven, are there any Arabian show farms in your area? A halter trainer may be willing to give you and your horse a couple of lessons to get you working together nicely for halter.

bnttyra · 11-03-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ArabianHaven

Halter, but my horse can't "jog". He has done EP we go into the ring with our biggest trot. So, there is a difference between the two

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He knows what to do, but I just can't give him the cues correctly.

Sorry, I don't know what EP is. Trot then into the ring, I just called it jog. Are you showing in arabian shows or open ones with different breeds? I have been showing at an open show circuit that is put on by the local AHA club and they pretty much trot in and set up using crops to keep the horse's attention and the back legs off set some. Now what they do at those open shows is not as big as what they do at say the Scottsdale arabian show. It seems that the ones at the Scottsdale show have the big trots and they use much of the arena in showing off that big trot.

It sounds like you need to know how to set him up properly and as you said, he has shown in halter before so I still say he probably already should be setting up properly everytime you stop. My 2 yr old APHA mare will set up automatically almost every time so if he has been shown alot, he should do it too.

I saw in one of your pictures of him your mom was setting him up right? Why not ask her for help in getting the cues down.

Alliekk · 11-04-2009, 01:29 PM

Setting an arabian up and keeping their attention is a whole different time zone from AQHA/APHA. I understand where the OP is coming from, your posts are kind of putting her down, bnttyra. She asked for help, not for people to tell her that her horse NEEDS to do it on his own. He obviously isn't, so lets help her, ok?

Arabianhaven, the way I taught my Arab (I have never been trained by a proffessional, so their cues may be different. Maybe, maybe not, it's worth a try) to first set the back legs: one leg directly up and down, the other about 6" across and 6" back from the first. For the front legs I gently tug downwards on his halter and he will slowly inch his way forward. As soon as he has given you the appropriate stretch, stand tall, hold your crop in the air and lower it towards his head until it is about two feet away (don't touch him with it!) and quickly raise it back up. Lower, and raise. All with brisk movements. Arabians do not show "sluggishly" so neither should you. Your movemens should always be clean and precise, but not intimidating. Does that make sense? It's worth a try.

Lopinslow · 11-04-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Alliekk

Setting an arabian up and keeping their attention is a whole different time zone from AQHA/APHA. I understand where the OP is coming from, your posts are kind of putting her down, bnttyra. She asked for help, not for people to tell her that her horse NEEDS to do it on his own. He obviously isn't, so lets help her, ok?

I'm wondering if you read ArabianHaven's posts in the WP thread? where she is so close minded and breed biased, she was saying how her arab's are saints and all QH's are mean, nasty and basically try to kill people any chance they get.

So, why would we want to help someone who treated us that way?

Alliekk · 11-04-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lopinslow

I'm wondering if you read ArabianHaven's posts in the WP thread? where she is so close minded and breed biased, she was saying how her arab's are saints and all QH's are mean, nasty and basically try to kill people any chance they get.

So, why would we want to help someone who treated us that way?

I did see the posts, I even commented on them, but past the "I've only ever known barrel racers and they were nut jobs" I did not see anymore. I unsubscribed to that thread because it went bonkers. I am starting with a clean slate and trying to help someone who doesn't know a darned thing about halter. At least she's asking, it could be worse.

bnttyra · 11-05-2009, 11:10 AM

The reason for the tone in my posts is simple. She comes on here and says that her gelding has done it alot and knows what to do and that it is just her not knowing. Now I don't know about you but I have seen many times where there are people who know absolutely knowing about how to show their horse in halter or SMS for that matter and with a well trained horse, as the OP is claiming, the horse will almost do it for you, yes, even in SMS. I honestly believe this girl really doesn't want to know how to do it just is finding another way to express how wonderful her calm arabian gelding is. I mean she even says that he doesn't know how to "jog" but can only trot. Sorry, but in reality they are the same thing, just different disciplines calling them different but they are the both 2 beat gaits (one just slower than the other but really the same). And she did need to explain whether she was doing halter or SMS as she makes a statement about not being able to get him to step over using only his front. I know that horses are not asking to perform pivots on the haunches in halter, even at Arabian shows, that is a SMS thing. So she doesn't even really know what event she is doing. Sorry to sound so harse but in this case, I don't think anything anyone says makes a difference as she appears to think only arabians are good horses.

Alliekk · 11-05-2009, 11:25 AM

How many greenies can just hop on a perfectly trained dressage horse and do everything perfectly? Just because the horse is trained up the hilt doesn't mean they don't need a cue. I'm not defending this girl by any means, but I must stop and ask you this: What is the similatity between AQHA and AHA? HALTER, I mean. In AQHA, the horse is asked (in a lot of instances the handler even sets their feet!!!) to square up. A horse can, for the most part, naturally square up like an AQHA, but how many horses do you see come straight from a trot/jog and mechanically park out without a cue? If you were to watch a big time Arabian show, you will see the handler CUE the big time Arabian so that he is presented as his breed requires. AQHA doesn't require this, so it seems a lot easier, but it's not.

11-03-2009, 07:58 AM	#1
ArabianHaven Full Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: U.S. Posts: 87 Images: 6	I need training! Hello, I have an Arabian gelding who knows everything about halter. He has show all over the U.S. and Canada. The problem is.... I can't do halter. Can any one give me some tips? I am only showing at local shows right now with judges who place me first even though I am not doing it right(), but I would love to do it right. I can not get his legs perfect and to get him to step over with only his front legs moving is a pain. Any one else who tries to help me can get him to do it pefectly. It is not like hehas lack of respect for me or anything, but I just can't do it. Any tips. Thank you so much! __________________ Nothing better than Arabs!

11-03-2009, 08:31 AM	#2
bnttyra Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: ARIZONA Posts: 3,619 Images: 107 Blog Entries: 18	If he knows everything about halter then he should set up everytime you stop. Halter classes are not on you showing the horse but on the horse's conformation. Halter is not hard to show, you just need to jog the horse and be able to set them up correctly. Do a search for how to set up an arabian for inspection. Or do you mean showmanship where there is a pattern? If it is showmanship and you are not doing it right and the judges are still placing you first I would be **** as another person showing in the same class. SMS is about being precise, quick, and accurate. Every little thing counts and needs to be thought of. Let us know which one it is as they are different and judged differently. Halter being 100% on horses conformation and SMS being 50% on handler and 50% on how horse does the pattern. __________________ Tyra Hounds & Horses "Patience is knowing it will happen and giving it time to" Sexy by Christmas Challenge-r!! Goal: 12 lbs LOST CURRENT: 3.5 lbs LOST**

11-03-2009, 01:54 PM	#4
Blondehorse Senior Member+ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,786 Images: 295 Blog Entries: 14	Lol... Arabian halter horses do anything BUT jog in the halter ring! ArabianHaven, are there any Arabian show farms in your area? A halter trainer may be willing to give you and your horse a couple of lessons to get you working together nicely for halter. __________________ PA Khavele (*Furno Khamal x Nomevelle) '95 Arabian mare AKA Val JB Nikhovelli (Zars Nike x PA Khavele) '09 Arabian colt AKA Tariq

11-05-2009, 11:10 AM	#9
bnttyra Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: ARIZONA Posts: 3,619 Images: 107 Blog Entries: 18	The reason for the tone in my posts is simple. She comes on here and says that her gelding has done it alot and knows what to do and that it is just her not knowing. Now I don't know about you but I have seen many times where there are people who know absolutely knowing about how to show their horse in halter or SMS for that matter and with a well trained horse, as the OP is claiming, the horse will almost do it for you, yes, even in SMS. I honestly believe this girl really doesn't want to know how to do it just is finding another way to express how wonderful her calm arabian gelding is. I mean she even says that he doesn't know how to "jog" but can only trot. Sorry, but in reality they are the same thing, just different disciplines calling them different but they are the both 2 beat gaits (one just slower than the other but really the same). And she did need to explain whether she was doing halter or SMS as she makes a statement about not being able to get him to step over using only his front. I know that horses are not asking to perform pivots on the haunches in halter, even at Arabian shows, that is a SMS thing. So she doesn't even really know what event she is doing. Sorry to sound so harse but in this case, I don't think anything anyone says makes a difference as she appears to think only arabians are good horses. __________________ *Tyra Hounds & Horses* *"Patience is knowing it will happen and giving it time to"* Sexy by Christmas Challenge-r!! Goal: 12 lbs LOST CURRENT: 3.5 lbs LOST

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11-04-2009, 01:29 PM	#6
Alliekk Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Eugene, Oregon Posts: 1,423 Images: 153	Setting an arabian up and keeping their attention is a whole different time zone from AQHA/APHA. I understand where the OP is coming from, your posts are kind of putting her down, bnttyra. She asked for help, not for people to tell her that her horse NEEDS to do it on his own. He obviously isn't, so lets help her, ok? Arabianhaven, the way I taught my Arab (I have never been trained by a proffessional, so their cues may be different. Maybe, maybe not, it's worth a try) to first set the back legs: one leg directly up and down, the other about 6" across and 6" back from the first. For the front legs I gently tug downwards on his halter and he will slowly inch his way forward. As soon as he has given you the appropriate stretch, stand tall, hold your crop in the air and lower it towards his head until it is about two feet away (don't touch him with it!) and quickly raise it back up. Lower, and raise. All with brisk movements. Arabians do not show "sluggishly" so neither should you. Your movemens should always be clean and precise, but not intimidating. Does that make sense? It's worth a try.

11-05-2009, 11:25 AM	#10
Alliekk Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Eugene, Oregon Posts: 1,423 Images: 153	How many greenies can just hop on a perfectly trained dressage horse and do everything perfectly? Just because the horse is trained up the hilt doesn't mean they don't need a cue. I'm not defending this girl by any means, but I must stop and ask you this: What is the similatity between AQHA and AHA? HALTER, I mean. In AQHA, the horse is asked (in a lot of instances the handler even sets their feet!!!) to square up. A horse can, for the most part, naturally square up like an AQHA, but how many horses do you see come straight from a trot/jog and mechanically park out without a cue? If you were to watch a big time Arabian show, you will see the handler CUE the big time Arabian so that he is presented as his breed requires. AQHA doesn't require this, so it seems a lot easier, but it's not.