[Mary6478]

who is going to train the baby??...b.c no offense but if that is riding in the jumping pics, you don't look very experienced *maybe its just the pics tho*

[Blistering Winds]

Originally Posted by ryu2832

In a scientific study, lower leg/hoof (knee and down) conformation was shown to be not heritable. Environment and hoof care play too much a role on the leg development to isolate any genetic factors.

You won't necessarily inherit one thing or the other from the mare or stallion without knowing their genetic backgrounds.

The most heritable traits were jumping ability and the trot gait.

I'd be interested in seeing that study.

Because I know that it IS still heritable to a point, but easily influenced by environmental factors.

Case in point....the stud on the property I live on. Majority of his babies, no matter where they are born, have turned out toes from the cannon down.

Even on "perfect" mares and on different farms. (got to see several of his babies recently)

however, I'd love to read the study you saw. (I love reading studies...)

[Huntseat]

Originally Posted by ryu2832

The most heritable traits were jumping ability and the trot gait.

Heh.. this is completely off topic, but my little 14.1hh arab mare is now jumping 4ft but was totally bred to do saddleseat.

[Lancee-lover]

lol im not very experienced but as i said in the beggining i would be breeding her in a few years and that would be after about 3 more years experiance. my trainer and i would probably train the baby together but whats not to say i wont be going to college in that amount of time. i havent gotten that far away yet but i was just still wondering what specific things i would be looking for in a stud for my mare.

[ryu2832]

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

I'd be interested in seeing that study.

Because I know that it IS still heritable to a point, but easily influenced by environmental factors.

Case in point....the stud on the property I live on. Majority of his babies, no matter where they are born, have turned out toes from the cannon down.

Even on "perfect" mares and on different farms. (got to see several of his babies recently)

however, I'd love to read the study you saw. (I love reading studies...)

Heritability

Enjoy

[ryu2832]

Originally Posted by huntseat

Heh.. this is completely off topic, but my little 14.1hh arab mare is now jumping 4ft but was totally bred to do saddleseat.

The Heritability coefficients assume you are trying to inherit the trait.

Were the parents tested for jumping ability? One or both probably do it well.

[Blistering Winds]

ok, so this study was "JUST" Done on hanoverians......hmm..wonder if QH's have a higher leg heritability then..?? That would make for an interesting study....compare the heritability of the characteristic AND breed .....

[ryu2832]

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

ok, so this study was "JUST" Done on hanoverians......hmm..wonder if QH's have a higher leg heritability then..?? That would make for an interesting study....compare the heritability of the characteristic AND breed .....

Yeah, with just 5000+mares. Hannos aren't really that tightly bred.

You are hard to please ...Since QH's don't do any kind of approvals, I doubt there is any data.

And remember that the number was low, but still there. It could be a rare dominate allele homozygous in that stallion.

[Lancee-lover]

hey everyone i got some pictures of her but im not exactly sure if they are what you wanted. let me know if i need to get better pics.

front

side

back

other side


anything else you guys need in order to tell me what i want to look for in a stallion for my mare?

[Blistering Winds]

Originally Posted by ryu2832

Yeah, with just 5000+mares. Hannos aren't really that tightly bred.

You are hard to please ...Since QH's don't do any kind of approvals, I doubt there is any data.

And remember that the number was low, but still there. It could be a rare dominate allele homozygous in that stallion.

don't know why you are shaking your head.

different lines have different presentation of genetics. Where you get higher jumping ability in warmblood, there would be lower "accounts" for jumping type ability in QH. And might not be the same data.... What would be true in one breed might not be true in another. That was all I was interested in if there might be a difference in breeds which would make for an interesting study.

You see in reining horses, a lot of leg type conformation. It is looked at, and bred for

same in various other areas. you can make things more heritable simply by breeding for it more and being pickier on what is bred.... ie jumping ability has been bred for over and over in those lines....

Just something that caught my attention and because it isn't compared out to say stock horses, cannot be set in stone that it IS this way with all. And it interests me overall on if it is interesting on the heritability of the different aspects and compared to different breeds.

has nothing to do with pleasing and everything to do with the fact you cannot say it IS this way for QH's since their genetics may have a whole different set of prominance of the alleles for certain aspects.

Like you won't find much "cattle ability" in the hanovarians. So it would probably be a very very low to no heritability when bred for it.

However, in some lines of qh's, cattle ability seems prominant in the breeding process and people here breed for the natural ability of that event.

That is all I am saying and wondering if it is true straight across, or is it a breed specific type. Until there is a study of "various" breeds, you cannot say IT IS this way in all horses.