[mistysangel0]

The sire of my filly is located in Penn Yan NY He is bay and white with the white hairs all through his bay spots, he wasn't a petite build but wasn't overly stocky and he was on the shorter side. (when we picked up our mare didn't know she was pregnant so had no interest in seeing her stud or caring abouit what breed he was only saw him form a distance) as far as I know they are using him for breeding he was about 3-3 yrs when we saw him so that would put him at about 4-5yrs now. He came from a farm in PA. Has anyone ever heard of this stud or know the person who might own him?? Or have any way to find out what breed he is??

I have a filly that was born this year we do not know what breed her sire is but we did se him he is a bay tobiano but he is roan on his bay spots. Has anyone ever seen this??? Any ideas what breed he might be with that kind of coloring?? he was bigger boned but not real stocky stocky either but not real tall.
Now the filly I have she is a bay and white and her shoulder is roaning do you think she will roan like her daddy?? It is goign form her white spot farther into the bay.

here is a pic of it she was about a month and half old in this pic if you look at her shoulder you can see the start of the roaning.


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thanks

[BlueDiamond]

I don't know how all the roaning stuff works. But i just had to say that you have a beautiful filly! I can't wait to see more pictures of her in the future.

[mistysangel0]

thanks so much she's definatley a keeper she is beautiful on the outside and in

[Bodi]

It sounds to me like her sire was a Bay Roan Tobiano. Providing his head coloration was not roaned itself, and if he had any black showing through on his legs that they were not roan as well.

It does happen that a spotted horse, and by that I mean tobiano, overo, ect... can have roaned spots or roaned edges. Usually not all of them unless they truly are a roan horse underneath or else going grey. If your filly was true bay roan underneath her tobiano pattern her roaning would already show all the way throughout her body. Which it doesn't appear to.

I owned a tobiano spotted draft mare who's black hip spot on her left side was roaned at the edges.

Very sharp filly by the way. Appear's saddle type.

[Heavenly Jumper]

Roan horses have a SOLID head with mixed white and 'color' hairs all over their body.

Many, MANY other patterns such as sabino and rabicano have 'ticking' which shows up as roany looking patches all over...

here are some examples of roan horses that LOOK roan-ish but are not 'roan'

NOT ROAN -








REAL ROANS-







(Check out this site - http://www.grullablue.com/colors/white_patterns.htm They have more pictures and lots more explanations )

[mistysangel0]

yep her mommy is a n arab saddlebred mare.

[accphotography]

That is a tobiano + sabino thing. Definitely not true roan. That marking likely will not change either.

True roaning is usually noticed in the flank area first, and I don't see any evidence of it.

ACC

[mistysangel0]

I have one more question I know you are not supposed to breed a roan to to a roan because of lethal white would the same be here or would it not matter because she is not a true roan??

[Heavenly Jumper]

Lethal Roan Question

There was a theory that a homozygous roan (RR) could be a lethal gene. This idea of "Lethal Roan Syndrome" was based primarily on a 1979 study. This study examined the percentages of roan foals thrown by roan parents, and found fewer than expected.

The study did not include direct genetic analysis, as such technology was not available at the time. Not finding large numbers of dead foals, the researchers concluded that any homozygous roan fetus was absorbed, thus preventing birth.

This study and its conclusions popularized the idea of Lethal Roan Syndrome. This was consistent with the "dominant white" and "lethal white" studies available at the time; later study has shown that the dominant white or "W" gene in horses is lethal when homozygous, and there is a different, unrelated recessive condition called lethal white syndrome. Nonetheless, in the late 1970s, genetic science had not yet developed to provide a clear answer to the roan question.

A more recent genetic study of roans by Dr. Ann Bowling refuted the lethal roan theory. Using modern genetic analysis techniques, Dr. Bowling found several homozygous roans and no evidence of a Lethal Roan Syndrome.

Read up on Roan horses here -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roan_(color)

[accphotography]

Bottom line with breeding roan to roan is that it does not matter if it is a genetic lethal or not because it is NOT like overo lethal. Overo lethal you have a foal carried to term that dies within 72 hours of birth. Roan lethal (if it exists) is simply a non-viable embryo which means the mare will lose the foal, usually in time to breed her back (sometime in the first 56 days). And some people would say breed her back to the same roan stallion and take your chances as there is only a 25% chance of this happening anyway so the chances that you'd get two in a row...

However one of my friends is studying this stuff (is a renowned geneticist) and he is FULLY convinced it is not an embryonic lethal at all.

And no, since your filly is not a true roan, there would be no chance of this even if it is an embryonic lethal. However you should test her for overo before breeding her, just in case.

ACC