[Aussiesnapps]

Oh My goodness. What do you think she's smokin'? ROTFTLMBO


LD posted this artical and I have had to read it twice lol

Pamela Wilsby-Higgins really beleives this?...

"Horses are very sensitive and can suffer from a variety of problems... paranormal.... Most people are unaware of the number of horses who are survivors of alien abduction. I have found that repressed memories of abductions are the primary cause of most trailering difficulties. There are also horses unfairly labeled "spooky" when their behavior is actually an appropriate response to poltergeist activity."


NOW I have read a lot of stuff but Alien Abduction and rebirthing horses take the cake right next to people getting married to their pets. Give me a flippin break. I think I'll go ride my horse and thank God we are not haunted, abduction survivers or needing to be re-frickin-birthed. But if he proposes, I'll get the invitations out to all my HGS friends.
Still ROTFLMBO I love that people can sell just about anything if they lable it just right.

[doublebarr]

Originally Posted by JBandRio

Huhwhat? You honestly believe all the questions have been thought of? You honestly believe that learning something never leads to new questions? You honestly believe that every scientific fact has the possibility to be proven wrong? USUALLY tests are so flawed? Wow. Just... wow...

Oh wait, I forgot I'm on your ignore list now What a shame, I would LOVE to hear your response to this. Maybe someone will quote me - you can't not see that unless you're ignoring them too

ROTFLOL!!! There you go JB, but I don't think it will help. I believe I'm on her "ignore" list too. LOL

[Kilgarrin]

Oh Hello!!!!! How nice to hear your comments and so much common sense in them.

Just a little laugh here - at one of our big Equitana exhibits, some previously 'unhandled' horses were brought in by a friend of mine for the 'natural horsemanship' demonstrations - the quote was, these horses have never been touched!! How then did they get the hlaaers on them and how did they truck them down and pen them etc???????

A horse is an animal that can KILL you, as can a pony KILL a child. They are stronger than us and can not reason, we must always be the dominant animal and the alpha animal. If that means occasionally strutting some serious stuff, so be it!!! I would rather see a couple of minutes of treatment you have described than days and days of bonding with a carrot stick!!

All hail common sense and practicailty. Too many paople are getting too precious about their animals, and a lot of horses that are downright dangerous, once upon a time would have been dog meat, but now, that is frowned upon.

Thanks you for your post, it has brought me back to realisty knowing there are still many sensible people out there who understand the practicalities of good horsemanship.

[pittmd]

Not to "beat" (pardon the pun) this topic to death but...

I will admit it. I AM GREEN! My wife and I bought horse's as an adventure and by God has it ever been an adventure! I read a lot of training books and bought several DVD's to get my horse to comply with my wishes. Not knowing anything to speak of about horse's I tried to be real nice to my horse's and all was going well at first. When your big lovie horse slams you into the round pen pannel and run over you because he didn't feel like doing what was asked, it's time to take the gloves off. I started doing things the CA way. I would ask nicely, then a little firmer, then WACK!!! I SAID MOVE YOUR FAT ***!!!! I still laugh thinking about the look in that horse's eye's. , OH, you were talking to ME? Being green I was just being to **** nice about things. I didn't have their respect. I thought being nice and getting their trust would get me respect. how naive. I should have know better being and old hunting dog trainer. I don't care to wask my horse's but it's got to be done once in a while when they are being lazy, disrespectful.

'Be as gentle as possible, but as firm as neccesary'

[Berlunz]

wow, not going to read all 51 pages here, but I am going to applaud the creator. I love the trainer I have right now because she agrees with that opinion. I do like the whole idea of getting closer to your horse and loving your horse and such but each horse is different. I know I get frustrated with some NH people because they are always trying to tell me what to do. I remember on another forum (similar to this one) someone had posted with horse loading problems. I gave them my trick which has always gotten a horse loaded with no one (including the horse) getting injured. Immediately I had 5 NHers jump in and say my method was cruel and wrong. To explain, my method in no way included whips or even beating the horse. It was basically a very long rope and a chain that went behind the horses ears(much like a be nice halter, but just a little bit more forceful). We would thread the rope through the trailer, around the horses but then back through the trailer and pull from the side. As we pulled it put pressure on the horses ears and make them move forward, they couldnt rear up and hit their head and in the end it was always their own choice to go into the trailer. But I had tons of people jumping on me saying we should walk the horse across a tarp... honestly.. if the horse is not going to load into a trailer its not going anywhere near a tarp. Plus most horses we have that dont load are ones we just bought from an auction and we only have so long to remove them from the property before boarding fees are going to be charged.. (less than 8 hours)... Right now I have a trainer who thinks much like me. Its me or the horse, I would rather have the horse get hurt and not me. They are 1000 lb animals who could easily kill me and if its going to come down to it, its the human over the horse. She thinks like this because she trains lots of children, some of them very young and in her mind its always the kids safety first. When I was jumping my mare, the mare would often refuse jumps because she feared what as on the other side. Now dont get me wrong, we tried the coaxing nice method, but that got me bucked off. So then it became the, either you will trust me and go over this jump or its going to hurt more not to trust me and be bad. So she got smacked with the crop very hard and went over. Eventually all I had to do was hover the crop over her shoulder and she would jump without a problem. But I know that most times when I ride I try the nice method first, then get to the harsh method and I am sick of people trying to jump on me for whacking my horse for being naughty. Right now I have a gelding who is rather sweet and willing to jump just about anything, and because of this I will never let him refuse a single jump... I dont even want him to think twice about jumping something ever. The other day we came to a jump with bailing twine on it and he freaked. We walked over, looked at it, snorted and once he had some time to see it, it was one smack with the crop and we were over the fence. But I went to a show the other day with a horse that my trainer trained to jump 4 foot, never refuse a fence and he had won a ton of 3 day eventing trials... she sold him to a girl who left the barn because my trainer wouldnt let her jump (she was not a good enough rider and not ready yet). Well in the end the horse bucked her off once or twice because she tried to jump him and really messed him up.. so she stopped riding him for a long time and penned him up in a tiny pen. Then she got a NH trainer to help her. Well we went to a jump school with her there and she couldnt even get him to walk over poles.. I felt like crying when I saw it. The worst part was when she couldnt get him to go over the pole on the ground the trainer said "Dont worry if your not ready you dont have to". It made me so mad, if your going to jump a horse you very well better make-them-jump. If your not going to make your horse behave then dont even teach them its okay to not do something by letting them do that. The trainer said they just needed to do more trust building exercises when really the horse just needed a firm hand and a good smack to get him over the pole...

[LGGL]

Originally Posted by Berlunz

wow, not going to read all 51 pages here, but I am going to applaud the creator. I love the trainer I have right now because she agrees with that opinion. I do like the whole idea of getting closer to your horse and loving your horse and such but each horse is different. I know I get frustrated with some NH people because they are always trying to tell me what to do. I remember on another forum (similar to this one) someone had posted with horse loading problems. I gave them my trick which has always gotten a horse loaded with no one (including the horse) getting injured. Immediately I had 5 NHers jump in and say my method was cruel and wrong. To explain, my method in no way included whips or even beating the horse. It was basically a very long rope and a chain that went behind the horses ears(much like a be nice halter, but just a little bit more forceful). We would thread the rope through the trailer, around the horses but then back through the trailer and pull from the side. As we pulled it put pressure on the horses ears and make them move forward, they couldnt rear up and hit their head and in the end it was always their own choice to go into the trailer. But I had tons of people jumping on me saying we should walk the horse across a tarp... honestly.. if the horse is not going to load into a trailer its not going anywhere near a tarp. Plus most horses we have that dont load are ones we just bought from an auction and we only have so long to remove them from the property before boarding fees are going to be charged.. (less than 8 hours)... Right now I have a trainer who thinks much like me. Its me or the horse, I would rather have the horse get hurt and not me. They are 1000 lb animals who could easily kill me and if its going to come down to it, its the human over the horse. She thinks like this because she trains lots of children, some of them very young and in her mind its always the kids safety first. When I was jumping my mare, the mare would often refuse jumps because she feared what as on the other side. Now dont get me wrong, we tried the coaxing nice method, but that got me bucked off. So then it became the, either you will trust me and go over this jump or its going to hurt more not to trust me and be bad. So she got smacked with the crop very hard and went over. Eventually all I had to do was hover the crop over her shoulder and she would jump without a problem. But I know that most times when I ride I try the nice method first, then get to the harsh method and I am sick of people trying to jump on me for whacking my horse for being naughty. Right now I have a gelding who is rather sweet and willing to jump just about anything, and because of this I will never let him refuse a single jump... I dont even want him to think twice about jumping something ever. The other day we came to a jump with bailing twine on it and he freaked. We walked over, looked at it, snorted and once he had some time to see it, it was one smack with the crop and we were over the fence. But I went to a show the other day with a horse that my trainer trained to jump 4 foot, never refuse a fence and he had won a ton of 3 day eventing trials... she sold him to a girl who left the barn because my trainer wouldnt let her jump (she was not a good enough rider and not ready yet). Well in the end the horse bucked her off once or twice because she tried to jump him and really messed him up.. so she stopped riding him for a long time and penned him up in a tiny pen. Then she got a NH trainer to help her. Well we went to a jump school with her there and she couldnt even get him to walk over poles.. I felt like crying when I saw it. The worst part was when she couldnt get him to go over the pole on the ground the trainer said "Dont worry if your not ready you dont have to". It made me so mad, if your going to jump a horse you very well better make-them-jump. If your not going to make your horse behave then dont even teach them its okay to not do something by letting them do that. The trainer said they just needed to do more trust building exercises when really the horse just needed a firm hand and a good smack to get him over the pole...

Maybe it's your choice of words, at least I hope so. I really don't want to comment because you said it all. If you are saying that "NH" people take a different road, approach to working with a horse then you, then I guess it's a cross we'll have to bear.

So do you call your training, "traditional" or "old time" training?

[Aussiesnapps]

You don't have to be a card carrying PETA member, stop eating beef, save a whale, or plant a tree to use NH. It is just an approach, it doesn't have to be what defines you.

[wyldterv]

Originally Posted by doublebarr

ROTFLOL!!! There you go JB, but I don't think it will help. I believe I'm on her "ignore" list too. LOL

Perhaps we can start an "I'm on MS's IGNOR LIST" CLUB

Originally Posted by Aussiesnapps

Oh My goodness. What do you think she's smokin'? ROTFTLMBO


LD posted this artical and I have had to read it twice lol

Pamela Wilsby-Higgins really beleives this?...

"Horses are very sensitive and can suffer from a variety of problems... paranormal.... Most people are unaware of the number of horses who are survivors of alien abduction. I have found that repressed memories of abductions are the primary cause of most trailering difficulties. There are also horses unfairly labeled "spooky" when their behavior is actually an appropriate response to poltergeist activity."


NOW I have read a lot of stuff but Alien Abduction and rebirthing horses take the cake right next to people getting married to their pets. Give me a flippin break. I think I'll go ride my horse and thank God we are not haunted, abduction survivers or needing to be re-frickin-birthed. But if he proposes, I'll get the invitations out to all my HGS friends.
Still ROTFLMBO I love that people can sell just about anything if they lable it just right.

Honestly, it makes PERFECT sense to me that my horse was abducted by an alien, I mean, when every time we have a bad hair day, it MUST be when the Aliens are taking over the horses tiny pea brains AHHHhh the ability to deny any responsibility for our own inabilities is a priceless quality indeed

Originally Posted by Aussiesnapps

You don't have to be a card carrying PETA member, stop eating beef, save a whale, or plant a tree to use NH. It is just an approach, it doesn't have to be what defines you.

Thank DOG For that because I HATE PETA, LOVE EATING BEEF and don't care if the Indian Tribes that live on my coasts kill one whale a year, and I am allergic to trees so want to see them all cut down but I still use some NH techniques when it suites the horse I am working with

[Aussiesnapps]

AAWWWHHH a fan of common sense welcome my sister! lol Let us be one with the horse and all live in peace and harmony while we stomp the Cr*p out of deer flies. See I'm crackin myself up again

[wyldterv]

Originally Posted by Aussiesnapps

AAWWWHHH a fan of common sense welcome my sister! lol Let us be one with the horse and all live in peace and harmony while we stomp the Cr*p out of deer flies. See I'm crackin myself up again

LOLOLOLOL...HEYYYYYY I know let's start the "CS" (common sense) training Method and market the TAR out of it (Hey I spent a lot of money to have this Marketing degree I own, ROTFLMAO) and we can get people to debate it for 10000000 posts and 97,0000 threads