[jump4joy92]

AMEN!!!!!!!!!! I like some of the methods that they use but they don't work on EVERY horse.

[sirius-dressage]

Originally Posted by wyldterv

I'd like to point out that a good SAFE trail horse is NOT uneducated NOR green and are worth a small fortune! Being uneducated and green makes a horse an open slate that either someone wants to take to a trained mount or that is goingto be hard to sell... BUT it is NOT going to make a great companion NOR a great trail horse unless you DO put a lot of work into it! Unless you're a REALLY experienced rider, taking a really green, uneducated horse out on the trails around here can get you killed.

Oh I absolutely agree. Neither of my horses are really trail safe...because they've not done a lot of it. But what else can someone trying to sell their horse market an older green horse for in a lot of cases? I see a lot of ads for horses that don't seem to have any particular skill but can go down a trail. Someone going out and looking for a hunter prospect, as in my case...and instead finding an older horse with NO basic training undersaddle that needs a lot of work and is overpriced for the condition it is in mentally, physically, and training-wise...is not going to think this "naturally" trained horse is worth much, or at least not as much as is being asked and is going to walk away because the horse doesn't seem to have the talent or the training to do anything else than be a mount to pal around on.

I like projects, I don't mind green horses...but I do mind going out to see a horse that is supposedly trained, if trained in the natural horsemanship way, and this horse can't perform basic things such as trotting in a straight line, picking up its canter leads...etc. It just doesn't shine the clearest light on that horse.

[wyldterv]

Originally Posted by sirius-dressage

But what else can someone trying to sell their horse market an older green horse for in a lot of cases? .

Not trail unless that horse is well trained it is NOT a good trail horse. I find it MUCH more important for my horse to move off my leg on the trail then I do in any competition ring I go in, since I may fall off a cliff if my horse is not listening to my leg Where as in the ring, I will lose but probably not have a major train wreck

What you can market an older green horse as is a PROSPECT for whatever discipline it might be good at (trail, dressage, WP, HUS, Saddle Seat, Roping, Whatever) What you can not expect is to get a zillion dollars for them

[JBandRio]

Originally Posted by arablvr1

So, you pay $65 to go see them and learn nothing. Just see what's possible. Sorry, that's dumb.

I could say that spending $20 to go see the circus is dumb

They should explain what's going on, what they are doing, and why they are doing it.

Why *should* they? It's not their intent for it to be a learning event, a what/why/how. It's a show, meant to draw you in. It's fine if you don't like it, but it is what it is and suits lots of people.

Back to Clinton, he explains things he is doing, and why he does it. When I go to something like that I want to learn!

Then I guess you should skip the Parelli tours, and go audit some of the clinics instead

And I don't see concentration. I see irritation. A horse concentrating on its handler either has one ear cocked toward them, or both ears are forward and they are looking intently at the handler waiting for a cue.

I guess we see different things then I see exactly the same reactions when I watch my horses in the field.

I just wanted to say what I think of that particular event. I have to say that Pat and Linda were entertaining, but I wanted to learn. I was disappointed.

I'm sorry you were disappointed, I'm sorry you expected one thing and got another. Different folks present a peek into their world in different ways, and those peeks can turn you off or pique your interest.

[sirius-dressage]

Originally Posted by wyldterv

What you can not expect is to get a zillion dollars for them

Which is what I have found in the cases with untrained horses...or in the one where I went to look at the "naturally" trained horse. I can't see spending a lot of money on someone else's poor training...but for some reaosn they can see me spending that money.

[wyldterv]

Originally Posted by sirius-dressage

Which is what I have found in the cases with untrained horses...or in the one where I went to look at the "naturally" trained horse. I can't see spending a lot of money on someone else's poor training...but for some reaosn they can see me spending that money.

LOL oh trust me, I see it all the time... I go and look and then say thanks and leave if the horse is more $$$ then I feel it is worth... People either lower the price or wait for someone who WILL pay it or just never sell their horse

[Banat]

Originally Posted by jump4joy92

AMEN!!!!!!!!!! I like some of the methods that they use but they don't work on EVERY horse.

When did you see a horse being worked by Parelli or whoever "they" are that the method didn't work on?

[shakti21]

Originally Posted by banat

When did you see a horse being worked by Parelli or whoever "they" are that the method didn't work on?

In the case of horses with traumatic pasts there is little you can do. No matter the method. Most horses have shut down the will to learn after severe trauma and instead operate purely on survival instincts. Or they have had riders tear up their mouths so bad they feel little or nothing there anymore. Their sides have been "got after" so much that things like the hide the hiney game only remind them of their past. Even trauma that causes the horse to become scizophrenic. There are alot of reasons why a horse will not respond to a trainers methods. No matter if its PP, CA, or someone from the SRS.

[showjumper]

Originally Posted by jump4joy92

AMEN!!!!!!!!!! I like some of the methods that they use but they don't work on EVERY horse.

EXACTLY!!!!

[Banat]

Originally Posted by shakti21

In the case of horses with traumatic pasts there is little you can do. No matter the method. Most horses have shut down the will to learn after severe trauma and instead operate purely on survival instincts. Or they have had riders tear up their mouths so bad they feel little or nothing there anymore. Their sides have been "got after" so much that things like the hide the hiney game only remind them of their past. Even trauma that causes the horse to become scizophrenic. There are alot of reasons why a horse will not respond to a trainers methods. No matter if its PP, CA, or someone from the SRS.

I've seen just the opposite to be true. Horses are flexable, their ability to adapt is what has made them able to survive in so many different environments and circumstances. A horse is always learning and changing. I'm not saying a severely abused horse won't take more time, but the nature of a horse is to adapt to it's environment.

So once again, when have you seen PP or CA unable to train a horse?

I haven't watched them too terribly much and haven't heard if they have ever addressed this.