[Jess!]

Of all the "natural horseman", I hate parelli the most. Grr...I cannot stand him or his wife.

[HJ_lilbit]

First hand experience :

One girl who practiced Parelli all her life before coming to our barn. dealing with one of the mares the parelli way, she got trampled by the green horse, and is now never allowed to go near the horse anymore.

Next girl who dealt with this horse didn't practice NH, the horse got worked up, and was dealt with on her own terms, the horse paid attention like she knew she was supposed to, and didn't act up the whole time.

now, i know wich person i would rather be, how about you?

[icyssunset]

Well natural horsemanship has three levels of intensity. The asking, the suggesting, and the promising. You ask to back up, you suggest to back up, and you PROMISE he will back up. When you slapped him you promised. You used all the stages. My trainer is a certified Richard Shrake trainer, and he isn't afraid to wack his horses if he has asked them and suggested to them that they listen.

[Jess!]

Originally Posted by icyssunset

Well natural horsemanship has three levels of intensity. The asking, the suggesting, and the promising. You ask to back up, you suggest to back up, and you PROMISE he will back up. When you slapped him you promised. You used all the stages. My trainer is a certified Richard Shrake trainer, and he isn't afraid to wack his horses if he has asked them and suggested to them that they listen.

See, I don't call that natural horsemanship, I call that common sense.

Like I said, NH is just a bunch of marketing phooey.

[Serendipity Zip]

Yes well, what happens when you don't have the time to do the three levels of intensity? What if you horse just suddenly bites you? What I find funny is Parelli says he doesn't hit his horses, yet I have seen him do it.

[Launa]

I have watched Tucker (my 8 year old gelding) and Radar (my two year old gelding) communicate. Radar steps over the boundries and Tucker pins his ears. Radar ignores him and Tucker lowers his head with ears still pinned. Radar still ignores him and whamo.....Tucker bites or kicks. Horse language simple.

I try to get what I want with as little pressure as possible but if ignored or a horse is disrespectful...I do not mess around.

Example. I have taught Radar since he was 8 months old to stay back from his hay barrel until I put the hay in and said O.K. It took awhile but we got the lesson learned. After having my friend Carries geldings were out here awhile Radar got used to NOT being on the bottem of the totem pole. When she took her horses home he decided he didn't want to be back on the bottem and he thought maybe he could move above me. At feeding time he forgot his respectful distance. When I scolded him he turned his butt to me. He had not done that since he was 8 months old. I popped him the best I could and growled at him but my hand didn't really get his attention. So the following morning I had my whip tucked under my arm. I gave him every opportunity to do the right thing. He was crowding me, I scolded him, He turned his butt to me and I slapped him on the butt with that whip hard. He whirled around and his eyes were as big as saucers. LOL! He lowered his head and stood there until I put his hay in his feeder and said O.K. He has not been disrespectful to me again. One quick sharp swat with the whip....message sent and received.

[alana529]

Originally Posted by Serendipity Zip

Yes well, what happens when you don't have the time to do the three levels of intensity? What if you horse just suddenly bites you?

He didn't just "suddenly" bite. You missed the warning signs. Maybe he pinned his ears, turned his head, then bit. If you caught it when it was just a thought, you could have done something to prevent it. That said, if my horse bit me I'd kill him. But I'd keep it in the back of my mind to do better next time. Maybe he needs a respect lesson.

[HJ_lilbit]

Originally Posted by Serendipity Zip

Yes well, what happens when you don't have the time to do the three levels of intensity? What if you horse just suddenly bites you? What I find funny is Parelli says he doesn't hit his horses, yet I have seen him do it.

is that so? so he's "naturally" a liar too? tell us more

[i_luv_wildfire]

The "wiggling the rope" thing that some people are getting worked up about...I think that was used as an example, with an "or something" tacked onto the end. Instead of listing all the different things you could be doing besides wiggling a rope. That's all.

[HJ_lilbit]

Originally Posted by alana529

He didn't just "suddenly" bite. You missed the warning signs. Maybe he pinned his ears, turned his head, then bit. .

there are many situations, not all situations necessarily have warnings