[Ransomsgurl]

most "natural horsemanship" methods are soooo wrong! Making your horse do what you want is not wrong, letting them do pretty much whatever they want is wrong! And using a whip is not a bad method, overusing it is, but if its a small corection theres nothing wrong with that! Thats how horses comunicate their points in the wild, by biting, kicking, pushing, and thats basically all you did, show him you where boss and made him listen, you werent beating your horse.... and im going to stop now or i never will but using a whip pretty much is natural it gets the point across in the same fasion they do in the wild.....

[rileyboy]

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[wakiya]

Originally Posted by Ransomsgurl

most "natural horsemanship" methods are soooo wrong! Making your horse do what you want is not wrong, letting them do pretty much whatever they want is wrong! And using a whip is not a bad method, overusing it is, but if its a small corection theres nothing wrong with that! Thats how horses comunicate their points in the wild, by biting, kicking, pushing, and thats basically all you did, show him you where boss and made him listen, you werent beating your horse.... and im going to stop now or i never will but using a whip pretty much is natural it gets the point across in the same fasion they do in the wild.....

In natural horsemanship you do use a "popper" on the end of the rope the same way you use a whip to "bite" or "kick" the horse.

[RedandChaz]

The stick or whip is just an extension of your hand or arm, that way when the horse naturally tries to kick the poo out you, you are naturally out of reach. Ropes aren't a good idea for this method. That is how I found out our mare kicks. And that hurts. Right on the wrist.

[lbhugg]

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[wakiya]

Originally Posted by RedandChaz

The stick or whip is just an extension of your hand or arm, that way when the horse naturally tries to kick the poo out you, you are naturally out of reach. Ropes aren't a good idea for this method. That is how I found out our mare kicks. And that hurts. Right on the wrist.

Naturally, the rope is long serves the same purpose and is word for word what you said an extension of the arm. Same idea different method. Both effective.

[RedandChaz]

Originally Posted by wakiya

Naturally, the rope is long serves the same purpose and is word for word what you said an extension of the arm. Same idea different method. Both effective.

I agree, and a rope works great IF the horse knows what it is for. If the horse is a clueless 15 year old that just spent 11 years in a pasture untouched, then I would suggest using a stick. Half of the kick was my fault. The guy that we got her from tried running her through a cattle squeeze chute to try and catch her.

[MoonlightsWildPassion]

Originally Posted by RedandChaz

I agree, and a rope works great IF the horse knows what it is for. If the horse is a clueless 15 year old that just spent 11 years in a pasture untouched, then I would suggest using a stick. Half of the kick was my fault. The guy that we got her from tried running her through a cattle squeeze chute to try and catch her.

My mare had sat in a dry lot for over a decade and knew what I wanted the first time I used a stick on her. And that was all of a 2 days after I bought her (first 2 days were baths to clean her up). Because she knew what I wanted now I can lay the string over her neck, back, anything and have her follow me through anything and everything. I have never been purposefully kicked by her, never bitten or bucked off on purpose,most is my fault,and accidental.

NH is good for somehorses if applied in a way the horse understands. My mare,if you tugged and pulled, and backed up to timbuktu would get scared, frazzled, and flighty, at one point she just stopped backing up because that's what I *stupidly* though she needed. It took a year to get her to back up without her head going up and her stopping.I never wailed on my horse, one good smack does the trick when she tries anything. A soft hand is what works on my mare.Some horses need a smack more often than others, some never need one. Depends on the horse and the way NH is applied to said horse. It won't work for allhorses, some listen very well to it.

[AllAroundHorses]

There is a difference between natural horsemanship and letting your horse walk all over you. Just not everyone realizes it. The horse you can truely ride bridleless is the well trained horse that respects you, through proper training of asking, telling and rewarding.

[MoonlightsWildPassion]

Originally Posted by AllAroundHorses

There is a difference between natural horsemanship and letting your horse walk all over you. Just not everyone realizes it. The horse you can truely ride bridleless is the well trained horse that respects you, through proper training of asking, telling and rewarding.

Ask, tell,demand, then reward when they take a step in the right directon. Simple...
Exapmle, I ask my hore to turn on the haunches, apply the correct cues she doesn;t do what I ask.I tell, apply a stronger cue, then if she doesn't do as told/asked.I demand, a bump to the side, stronger outside cues, when she turns on the haunches even a step I release and reward then try again.... Simple