I HATE "Natural" Horsemanship!!!!

lucky_pine · 07-18-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cowgirlnat

Lucky_Pine - you just professed how you ride your horse bareback and bridleless but a few posts ago you claimed that Monty Roberts is the god of NH. Monty doesn't profess to ride bareback and bridleless. Infact I don't feel that he properly prepares a horse for saddle and rider prior to mounting. There is no foundation for stop, go, turn, back. Yes he can do that from the ground, but it's more than hand movements and body position once you're on their back.

Are you 100% sure of that?
What more is it?

TrickPony · 07-18-2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JBandRio

It's not NH you hate, it's the know-it-alls who feel the need to push NH-specific techniques on everyone and their brother. A GOOD NH'er would have just said there, perhaps offered a word or two of advice, and let that be that, opening the door for you to come to him/her for more info. The lady who "harrassed" you is a wanna-be, who likely thinks that any way but a documented NH training method is cruel to the horse.

Don't let folks like this turn you off NH. You are already using NH techniques - upping the phases until the horse responds, giving him time at each phase to answer or ignore.

First... just wanted to say that this thread got huge!!! Woah!

Anyway - JBR, you're right. It's not NH that I hate. In fact, I agree with alot of the stuff I see the "big boys" do.

I just hate that it's all becoming labeled and seen by alot of uneducated/novice horse people as the only way (through marketing).
And then - there I am riding my horse and bothering no-one, and I have to listen to some idiot who suddenly thinks she's a trainer because she domesticated her "mustang" and now he can... play games and jump over barrels? Whatever - that has no practicality to me. When your horse can balance my checkbook and clean the house, then we'll talk... because at the point your method really is better.

I'm all for doing things in the most stress-free way possible, but at the same time, I'm also "all for" getting things done. So, I try to find a compromise somewhere in there... and sometimes it's doing it "naturally", sometimes not.

TrickPony · 07-18-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lucky_pine

I don't see how wiggling your rope at your horse, or snapping the "parelli" stick is very natural.
But that's just me.

I should say Old Monty.
The whole shy boy thing. I've never seen him use a war bridle on shy boy, what he did out there was amazing.
What he does now, okay, isn't natural.

But what he did out in the wild, with a wild mustang, with Shy Boy, was natural. Was amazing to boot.

The fact that he chased a horse for like 3 days? I didn't see what was so great about that... sorry.

cowgirlnat · 07-18-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lucky_pine

Are you 100% sure of that?
What more is it?

Well...if the only way my horse knows how to stop or turn is by me waving this hand or that or turning my shoulder one direction or the other...how will he know when I'm doing that on his back? It takes some direct pressure whether it be seat, leg, rein, or voice, or any combination of those.

PaintedRocket · 07-18-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickPony

The fact that he chased a horse for like 3 days? I didn't see what was so great about that... sorry.

Thats considered stalking, ya know! I'd slap a restraining order on him if I were a horse...

cowgirlnat · 07-18-2006, 07:49 PM

My big question is if they're really out to better the methods for training horses to make life better for these animals, then why do they charge out the a** for you to learn them? The Parelli program starter kit is over $300. His bareback pad is close to that. Monty Robert's halter is like $40 and you can't even choose what color you want. Everything is so outrageously priced that the average person can't afford it. I understand having to cover costs, but these people are making millions.

cherazam · 07-18-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cowgirlnat

My big question is if they're really out to better the methods for training horses to make life better for these animals, then why do they charge out the a** for you to learn them? The Parelli program starter kit is over $300. His bareback pad is close to that. Monty Robert's halter is like $40 and you can't even choose what color you want. Everything is so outrageously priced that the average person can't afford it. I understand having to cover costs, but these people are making millions.

I totally agree. You dont need any of the weird carrot sticks or special halters, or any type of gadget at all. With time, patience, and knowledge, you can teach your horse anything you want. You dont need to pay $300 for a starter kit, go take a walk and visit all types of different trainers, take the knowledge and exersizes you want and put them together.

Endorphins4u2 · 07-18-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickPony

First... just wanted to say that this thread got huge!!! Woah!

Stevie Wonder could've seen that comin....

TrickPony · 07-18-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Endorphins4u2

Stevie Wonder could've seen that comin....

That's why they call me captain obvious.

izzysmycat · 07-19-2006, 04:28 AM

I think what people really object to with NH is that you will get someone who has had a horse 5 mins, read all the books and think they know better than you or that somehow your methods are inferior to them. You pick up NH without that name through experience and being with horses. If I read any books it is Richard Maxwell (UK) who is a cross between Monty Roberts and the Household Cavalry or Sylvia Loch who is an old school Classical trainer. I then adapt the bits I think will work and use them. Jo x

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07-19-2006, 04:28 AM	#130
izzysmycat Full Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Dorset, UK Posts: 178	I think what people really object to with NH is that you will get someone who has had a horse 5 mins, read all the books and think they know better than you or that somehow your methods are inferior to them. You pick up NH without that name through experience and being with horses. If I read any books it is Richard Maxwell (UK) who is a cross between Monty Roberts and the Household Cavalry or Sylvia Loch who is an old school Classical trainer. I then adapt the bits I think will work and use them. Jo x