[lucky_pine]

Originally Posted by Endorphins4u2

One could say the same thing about your endorphin tap

Yep, and it was most of the NH believes that jump on my head when I first came here, and now I see they are against NH ..I'm lost

You still have to have some common sense and realize when you're over your head and need outside, live person help.

BINGO...and it is this common sense that tells you what could or couldn't be useful and this goes for anything we see or read..

Horse sense is the equine version of common sense...you either have it or you dont..you can't buy it ...yes, it's cold but true...

This is why we see 5 people start riding at the same time but only 1 out of that 5 will excell better than the others...

I see it all the time here and in other sports, some people are just naturals and excell better than others..

Isn't all that the truth. And yes, it was the NH people who said your tap wasn't natural. I was the....GASP....NH person who tried it, and was the first to have results. lmao!
I'll say what someone I love very much always says....There are horsemen, and horse owners. Horse owners outweigh the horsemen. Sad, but true.

[SunBun]

Originally Posted by PaintedPNH

again....its not just wiggling a leadrope.

LOL...that struck me as hilarious...I think it was the smiley's that did it!!

anyway, yeah, sometimes people take this NH thing to levels that are just insane.

[lucky_pine]

To me NH is being able to communicate thoroughly with your horse without an artifical aid.
Meaning, no bridle, no saddle, no reins, no halter...nothing. Just you and the horse.
Chasing your horse around the roundpen until it follows you is NOT NH. That's NOT joinup, and those who say "We joined up" and "I practice NH" are just fooling themselves.
It takes more than that.
It takes commitment.

I'm the kind of person who just gets on the horse with no saddle, no bridle, nothing, and rides them walk/jog/lope.
Of course, the horse is saddle trained. I'm not that stupid.
But NH is moving one way and learning how the horse responds to that. It's listening to the horse, understanding THEIR language and going with THEIR language, not forcing ours on them.
It's being able to tell them something with nothing but the slightest change in body position, the slightest look in one direction.

Yes, I use saddles and bridles, I've used training forks. Spurs.
But its the person who can't take the saddle off, the bridle off, turn them loose and say "Come with me" without an aid. Ask them to do something without touching them. Physically touching them to ask.
What can you say for that?
What does that say about your training?

[lucky_pine]

[quote=SunBun]LOL...that struck me as hilarious...I think it was the smiley's that did it!!

anyway, yeah, sometimes people take this NH thing to levels that are just insane.[/quote]


And I bet not just anyone can ride that horse, the one that belongs to the person who takes this NH thing to levels that are just insane.

I bet THAT person can throw out the oh so scary tarp, put the horse on one side of the arena, him stand on the other, and ask the horse to cross the tarp.
And the horse do it, willingly.

I've seen it done.
By a person who takes NH to an insane level. We can say that for Dressage riders. Especially the one who did the UNATURAL hyperflexion, right?
Or for those serious WP riders out there for blood.
The barrel races who spend thousands on Chiro work so their horse can go a split second faster.


To each their own.

[lucky_pine]

Here's another thing. You only hate what you don't truly understand.

[lilrider]

Originally Posted by HJ_lilbit

Are there any strong NH people who would like to come and back up their methods?

You just like to stir up trouble dont you?

[cowgirlnat]

Lucky_Pine - you just professed how you ride your horse bareback and bridleless but a few posts ago you claimed that Monty Roberts is the god of NH. Monty doesn't profess to ride bareback and bridleless. Infact I don't feel that he properly prepares a horse for saddle and rider prior to mounting. There is no foundation for stop, go, turn, back. Yes he can do that from the ground, but it's more than hand movements and body position once you're on their back.

[Qhchic]

I didnt read all the other posts but just wanted to say I am using parelli horsemanship and I love it it has helped me connect with my horse alot even though i am still in level 1. But ya, there are alot of natural horsemanship "nuts" out there.Who say they use parelli(or other) but are totally off-based

[Serendipity Zip]

Erm...im not bashing, I just don't like it. But like I already stated. I was a strick PNH follower. I took lessons from two different instructers for a few years. I bought everything, watched the videos and read the books over and over.

I had a lot of fun doing it. It made Count, who was previously abused and starved, a wonderful horse!

However...all of this was before PNH was this big huge deal. And after I had PNH people judge me and say im cruel to my horses and that they must hate me for riding in draw reins and giving my horse a smack, I kind of grew this annoyance for all of it.

[lucky_pine]

I don't see how wiggling your rope at your horse, or snapping the "parelli" stick is very natural.
But that's just me.

I should say Old Monty.
The whole shy boy thing. I've never seen him use a war bridle on shy boy, what he did out there was amazing.
What he does now, okay, isn't natural.

But what he did out in the wild, with a wild mustang, with Shy Boy, was natural. Was amazing to boot.