[wyldterv]

The thread that just wouldn't die, LOLOLOL

[Gallop N Gal]

lol No kidding it just keeps popping up every couple of months

[IIIBarsV]

In the world of horsemanship, there are three types of people:

Those who follow avidly!

Those who could care less!

Those who learn, use what works, are flexible enough to meet the needs of any horse, always moving forward with good morals, and an open mind.

[kyryah]

I should probably read this whole thread, but I am going to comment on the original post first...

I use Natural Horsemanship. However...

Originally Posted by TrickPony

This lady comes over out of the blue and starts on some 15 minute rant aboout how she's this amazing natural horsemanship trainer and could really help me get over some of these resistance issues through trust and cooperation.
It just went on and on and on... I seriously wanted to kill myself.

You know what? Being able to run a horse around in a roundpen does not make you a natural horsemanship trainer. Being able to ride your horse without a bridle does not mean that you have this deeper than thou connection with your horse.

You are 100% in the right.

A: It was none of that woman's business to interfere. It certainly doesn't sound to me like you are some "greenhorn" that was acting like they didn't know what they were doing. SO what the heck was she butting in for???

B: Also, while I have a great connection with my horses, without using physical consequences, NOT EVERY DANG HORSE IS THE SAME! I will concede that in a situation where a horse is getting DANGEROUS, ANY measure needs to be used to get the horse under control WITHIN REASON! Even though your horse was not being "dangerous," backing, IME, ties in directly with the "brakes" on a horse, and a tap on the chest is not what I would call abuse.

Originally Posted by TrickPony

Hitting your horse does not mean that your training methods are inferior... just different. Hello, horses kick, bite, and otherwise hurt each other in the pasture. Pain is just another way of getting a point across in the animal kingdom.

Yes, and i know that you don't mean excessive use, but I want to stress that *I* feel that pain is acceptable WITHIN REASON! lol.

Originally Posted by TrickPony

And you know what? My horses like me well enough to let me hang off the side of them - they have some many chances to kill me if they really wanted to. And yes, I hit them, get after them, and not all my methods are "natural". But at the end of the day they are still well trained, respectful, and not afraid of humans.

And in the end, for the safety of all, that is what is really important. While *I* don't personally strike my horses, I don't force my ideas on others. I am still in the learning process and take everything at face value... I call 'em as I see 'em!

Please, don't let the diarreah of the mouth idiots completely sour you on Natural Horsemanship. It is truly a great way of communicating with your horse, and you do get good results. I am not a "trainer" but I do work with my own horses and it has worked well FOR ME. I do wish everyone would see things my way, LOL, but I am not going to try to FORCE you to do so.

Thanks,
Kristina

[kyryah]

Man, I need to pay more attention to which threads are OLDER THAN DIRT! Holy cow, that was a LOT of reading! ANyway, I got to say my piece...

Kristina

[buck1173]

hate natural horsemanship?!? but its the sensation thats sweeping the nation!!!

see!
http://www.freewebs.com/truenorthmee...osemanship.htm

[kyryah]

Originally Posted by buck1173

hate natural horsemanship?!? but its the sensation thats sweeping the nation!!!

see!
http://www.freewebs.com/truenorthmee...osemanship.htm

OMG! Matt Morelli and his MEESE!

Kristina

[xx horse mad xx]

Totally. Horses give warnings to eachother, hence pinning back ears... just like we'll give 'em a good tap...if that doesn't work... SMACK! I've done it countless times and will continue doing so.. I'm not going to sit there " Oh Miracle, PLEASE be a good boy for me! I'll give you lots of treats..." and so on and so forth. I ask nicely ..then firmer... 3 strikes, you're out! Lol. Same rules apply with boyfriends ( copyed )


i like it very funnie men r like animals u got to train them

[JumpingBean]

The secret recipe for immortality: three parts HGS, one part Parelli.

Always knew he was good for something.

[accphotography]

Wow... this is SOME thread. I have not, and will not due to a lack of time, read this whole thread. I just have a few comments to make, and these comments may have already been stated by others, but I'll never know it. :-)

Those of you that have read my posts before probably know that I am an NH supporter. The methods, not the commercialization. I am also of the belief that not all NH methods are good. I use my own methods for the most part, and I take what I like from other NH people's methods and incorporate those into my own. As much as I love certain trainers, I have yet to find a trainer I agree with 100%. I believe every person has a right to determine the method they most agree with and works best FOR THEM. Not everyone is equally as good using the same method. Two trainers may use a completely different method, yet get the same result. The interesting thing is when the trainers switch methods, they don't get the same result as the other method is just not suited for their individual abilities as a trainer. This is why I use what I consider my own method. Mine is no doubt nothing new or remarkable and there may even be a trainer (or one of you guys) that does the exact same things, but it doesn't matter who uses it or not, it works for me. I personally feel there is a very strong bias against "NH" and I feel the majority of that bias is unfounded. I believe a few of the biggest biases against "NH" are cuased by the following:

1. Parelli's "games". I'm sorry, but even as an "avid follower" of NH, I can't support alot of things Parelli does so I can certainly understand those that don't like the games or the people.

2. The commercialization of the "NH industry". While I understand some of you are very frustrated with this, every industry has a right to promote, and every industry does. Does this mean I support paying the prices they ask for things we already use every day (the equipment) or ideas that have been around "forever", absolutely NOT.

3. Backyard NH "trainers" with (to quote someone else from the thread) with "diarrhea of the mouth". NH is like a religion for some people and we all know what that means. Some people just push too hard to make people see things their way, and I completely disagree with this. I don't want someone else's ideas forced on me and I think people should mind their own business unless someone asks for help. Set an example. If their horse is nearly perfect and someone else is having trouble with theirs, don't rush up and say "I can fix this" or "I can show you how to fix this", simply set the example, and if they care enough or if they feel they can't handle the problem alone, let them come to you. I don't force my religion on other people and I don't want to see other people forcing the NH religion on other people either.

4. Lack of experience and/or a closed mind. Some people claim to HATE NH, and some of these people simply don't know enough about it to understand, or they don't want to know and they approach it with the same type of closed mind that some people approach new electronics with. Think of all the closed minded people that said they would never own a computer... now what are they all doing? Learn about it before making a judgment, and be open minded.

I fully understand and agree (for the most part) with the points I mentioned above, HOWEVER, I very strongly feel that a person's opinion of NH as a whole should NOT be based solely on those things. Everyone has to make the decision for themselves, and of course not everyone will make the same decision, but please just don't make that decision for the wrong reasons.

IMO, those of you that have NOT TRIED NH on a horse that was not already dead quiet (near perfect, and even some of them can improve), should not say negative things about the methods (fare game on the commercialization).

ACC