[wyldterv]

Originally Posted by Aussiesnapps

I see we are all still alive and Kicking...the crud out of this still.

So, if you're game, let's do a little quiz for the answer to our questions/comments/bickering

Do you dislike the term Natural Horsemanship? Yes and no, lol, I hate that many lay people seem to think that it means a huggy/feely kind of training only with no true understanding of how a horse 'naturally' communicates and learns.

Do you like the NH methods for the most part and feel that it has something of value to offer?

Yes
Are you and avid NH follower?

Well I don't think of myself as 'avid' but I do use the techniques and principals of NH in a large majority of my training.

Do you dislike the average back yard enthusiastic NH follower or the avid NH trainer?

No, I just dislike it if they start to try to 'convert' me, just like I dislike some relgious 'converting' sermons as well

Do you prefer to research your training issues and seek advice or do you welcome stranger offering you advice unsolicited?

I prefer to do my own research and seeking of advice, I WILL welcome a stranger offering advice if they truly have a clue about what they're talking about but if they only are talking to hear their voice, then I'm not so welcoming of it

Do you cringe the moment some tells you that they are a certified so n so NH Trainer?

No, I usually just go 'so??" LOL

Do enjoy going to training clinics?

YES! ALL KINDS!

Does the title certified NH training cause you to shut down and tune out or does it intrigue you?

Neither.

Do you find this thread entertaining or monotonous?

Monotonously entertaining, lolol

Do you care if others don't buy your training style?

Nope I KNOW MY WAY is the BEST way

It just a thought to see if we can get a clearer pictures for those who seem to weave in and out of the fog of NH, dodging the comments they have had to reply to and defend, push or flip on those same comments?

Those that keep doing that are doing so just to hear their own words

[Aussiesnapps]

LOL I'll go first oops LOL second! Karyn beat me to it

Do you dislike the term Natural Horsemanship? No, it's just a method to train by

Do you like the NH methods for the most part and feel that it has something of value to offer? Yes

Are you and avid NH follower? I'm not an avid follower but I do enjoy collecting new training tips for my "bag of tricks"

Do you dislike the average back yard enthusiastic NH follower or the avid NH trainer? I don't care either way just don't try to snow me that's all!

Do you prefer to research your training issues and seek advice or do you welcome stranger offering you advice unsolicited? I love to research, if I'm working an issue don't bug me! If I need your advice I'll ask.

Do you cringe the moment some tells you that they are a certified so n so NH Trainer? OMGoodness yes

Do enjoy going to training clinics? LOVE IT

Does the title certified NH training cause you to shut down and tune out or does it intrigue you? If I'm seeking the information I'm all ears if you start harping and preach it, your done.

Do you find this thread entertaining or monotonous? ROTFLMBO it's entertaining like a Soap Opera!

Do you care if others don't buy your training style? NOT one bit

[LGGL]

Do you dislike the term Natural Horsemanship?

NO

Do you like the NH methods for the most part and feel that it has something of value to offer?

YES! NH is about communication, not about equipment and a trainer.

Are you and avid NH follower?

Yes, I use NH with the horse I come in contact with.

Do you dislike the average back yard enthusiastic NH follower or the avid NH trainer?

I dislike the term back yard. It has become a negative term. I believe that there are people that shouldn't own or be around horse. Some claim to be NH followers. A NH trainer can use method I don't agree with or like. Since NH is about how one communicates with a horse, so it usually the other methods a NH trainer uses that I don't like. Example not a Lyons fan, I care for conditioned response training.

Do you prefer to research your training issues and seek advice or do you welcome stranger offering you advice unsolicited?

Both just because someone gives you advise doesn't mean you have to take it. You can learn even from a fool, learn how not to do something.

Do you cringe the moment some tells you that they are a certified so n so NH Trainer?

No, but... certification is just a piece of paper. Proof is in results.

Do enjoy going to training clinics?

Yes, you can always pick up a tip or two. I learn by watching the horses, not the trainer.

Does the title certified NH training cause you to shut down and tune out or does it intrigue you?

Neither

Do you find this thread entertaining or monotonous?

Both. It fun to see how much people really know ... and don't know.

Do you care if others don't buy your training style?

I don't care. What they do with their horse is their business. In short I don't give a mouse's behind.

[BonnieM]

I'll go.

Do you dislike the term Natural Horsemanship? Yes, but only because it causes so many people so much confusion! It is like judging a book by it's title, not the content.

Do you like the NH methods for the most part and feel that it has something of value to offer? Yes, I am in great favor of any training technique that offers a horse a better deal, and some actual education.

Are you and avid NH follower? No, not at all avid. I watch, learn, sift out what works for me and my limitations, and try to give my horses the best deal possible.

Do you dislike the average back yard enthusiastic NH follower or the avid NH trainer? I don't dislike ANYONE who trains a horse well. The over-enthusiastic folks can be annoying, but only if I let it.

Do you prefer to research your training issues and seek advice or do you welcome stranger offering you advice unsolicited? Oh, I don't like unsolicited advice, but again, it can get to me only if I let it.

Do you cringe the moment some tells you that they are a certified so n so NH Trainer? No, there's SOMETHING to be learned from everyone. (Even if it is "gloating is unbecoming. Don't do it")

Do enjoy going to training clinics? Oh, yes, I love that.

Does the title certified NH training cause you to shut down and tune out or does it intrigue you? I would be intrigued.

Do you find this thread entertaining or monotonous? A little of both! I have had some outloud laugh moments, some "huh?" moments, and some YAWN moments.

Do you care if others don't buy your training style?
Oh, that would be the height of narcissism, now wouldn't it.

I would like to see everyone become good HORSEMEN, regardless of their style of training, as long as there is no abuse involved. Training a horse is not like baking a cake...they are never DONE. It is an ever evolving process.

BonnieM
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[Aussiesnapps]

Good posts so far. Thanks for playing along and answering the questions

[buddiebreeze]

Originally Posted by Aussiesnapps

Do you dislike the term Natural Horsemanship? No

Do you like the NH methods for the most part and feel that it has something of value to offer? Definately

Are you and avid NH follower? I wouldnt say i religiously follow any specific NHer, but take what i can from what i learn

Do you dislike the average back yard enthusiastic NH follower or the avid NH trainer? I dont dislike anyone

Do you prefer to research your training issues and seek advice or do you welcome stranger offering you advice unsolicited?
I like to research my own, but if a stranger has something useful to learn from then im all ears

Do you cringe the moment some tells you that they are a certified so n so NH Trainer?
Not at all, but then i dont have many people telling me that! In fact, to be honest, i would be very interested in what they have to say

Do enjoy going to training clinics? definately, i feel there is so much you can learn

Does the title certified NH training cause you to shut down and tune out or does it intrigue you?
intrigue

Do you find this thread entertaining or monotonous? no comment

Do you care if others don't buy your training style?
everyone is entitled to do things their way, i dont mind at all
It just a thought to see if we can get a clearer pictures for those who seem to weave in and out of the fog of NH, dodging the comments they have had to reply to and defend, push or flip on those same comments?

that is my addition to this thread, with a questionaire this long it wont take long till be get to page 2000 on this thread, LOL

[shakti21]

[quote=Aussiesnapps;2279304]I see we are all still alive and Kicking...the crud out of this still.

So, if you're game, let's do a little quiz for the answer to our questions/comments/bickering

Do you dislike the term Natural Horsemanship? Yep I don't like it. It doesn't make any sense and is really designed to draw in people who think that if you call something natural it is always better just by it having the name.

Do you like the NH methods for the most part and feel that it has something of value to offer? Yes and No. Depends on the methods since there are many I both love and hate. Have to take them individually, like govt. conspiracies.

Are you and avid NH follower? Well since I dont agree withits definition I dont guess I am. Others may dissagree though so, avanti!

Do you dislike the average back yard enthusiastic NH follower or the avid NH trainer? Depends on if I see their value, true training lies not in the methods but in the attitudes employed by a trainer.

Do you prefer to research your training issues and seek advice or do you welcome stranger offering you advice unsolicited? Neither, I meditate on mine and try to find what I missed in the entire process until that issue came up.

Do you cringe the moment some tells you that they are a certified so n so NH Trainer? Like a deer in the headlights of a speeding train.

Do enjoy going to training clinics? Honestly, I only go to them or shows for the snowcones. And thats not even a joke thats serious talk.

Does the title certified NH training cause you to shut down and tune out or does it intrigue you? I generally think of one of my many neglected items of thinsg to do. Not always but most of the time. then if they want to find me it can usually be either with my horse just spending time or cleaning something.

Do you find this thread entertaining or monotonous? Hamster wheelish really.

Do you care if others don't buy your training style? Of course not, why should I care?

[Teaka_Winnie]

why has this thread gone on for a year? hahaha

[cowboysmom]

Originally Posted by Aussiesnapps

I see we are all still alive and Kicking...the crud out of this still.

So, if you're game, let's do a little quiz for the answer to our questions/comments/bickering

Do you dislike the term Natural Horsemanship? No-I believe it is over used though.

Do you like the NH methods for the most part and feel that it has something of value to offer? We can always learn something.

Are you and avid NH follower? No-

Do you dislike the average back yard enthusiastic NH follower or the avid NH trainer? Depends on how fanatic they are and if they know what they are talking about. The proof is in the pudding.

Do you prefer to research your training issues and seek advice or do you welcome stranger offering you advice unsolicited? either/both. As long as judgements are not being made at the same time.

Do you cringe the moment some tells you that they are a certified so n so NH Trainer? Congratulations-but if you have to tell me how good you are, you aren't as good as you think!

Do enjoy going to training clinics? Sure!

Does the title certified NH training cause you to shut down and tune out or does it intrigue you? Neither--

Do you find this thread entertaining or monotonous? OMG!! LONG!

Do you care if others don't buy your training style? training style? What training style?

It just a thought to see if we can get a clearer pictures for those who seem to weave in and out of the fog of NH, dodging the comments they have had to reply to and defend, push or flip on those same comments?

It all comes down to a matter of choice and what everyones own preferences are. This is just a personal opinion--I'm not saying you have to agree with me, but my daughter was an outstanding athlete from the time she was very young. In our small town, she very seldom ran up against anyone that could compete with her. We got her into different sporting groups that traveled all over so she could compete with much better people than herself. She didn't get beat often but when would she would get a upset about it (ok she would get pi--ed), I would tell her...if you are as good of an athlete as you say, then you respect someone who can beat you and you learn what they have to teach you.

The same applies here- A person who is truly accomplished at what they do, will admire others who can do their craft as good or better than they can, without judgement and without feeling threatened, and learn from that person what they can.

[Blistering Winds]

The thing I like MOST about the "NH" term, is the "newbies" to the horse world, are looking for those trainers that USE that term. Doesnt' matter if you are Parelli, CA, Cameron, Reis, Shrake, etc.....the newbies, the FUTURE of horse owners, are coming into the field seeking those that use "Natural horsemanship"

First question out of potential client's mouths are...."do you do NH?" "are you an NH trainer"?

Not...Who do you follow, not who is your jedi master....

And while I am not 100% NH, I use it to my advantage for clients.

YES, I do use mostly NH techniques...

Regardless if they are what Maggie Sue calls "traditional"...you say that to these newbies and they run for the hills before you blink twice.

because while MS thinks traditional is mostly NH with a twist of common sense.....the newbies, the future of the horse world thinks....traditional so happens to be the John Wayne movie types.

Call it what you will, but be sure your clients understand your terminology and dont' go off on a client when they turn their head because you refuse to accept the NH term for their better understanding.....

When I say I use NH, immediately I see understanding. it is a universal term, regardless which direction they want to go. When they come to me, they aren't looking for finishing, they are looking for

1...help, ...
.2....the starting training.


And when NH is said, nothing else needs to be said, other than....this.

While I use NH for the most part, not all horses see it that way. I do get forceful when needed, and when my life is endanger, they sure will think their's is too.

That is all the explaining I need to do. Done deal. Cards are on the table in the most understandable way they know.


if I used traditional, and I asked several people this past week...they would NOT use a traditional trainer. They want...and I quote the word they used.... "NATURAL HORSEMANSHIP" trainers.

They did not specify any trainer until asked, and they all mentioned people that we have mentioned here..

John Lyons, Parelli, Clinton Anderson, Cameron.....etc.

John Lyons being the most prominant of the older folks, and CA for the younger.

parelli isn't that popular in my area to begin with....so I didn't get many parelli types.


No one specified any ONE trainer, many mentioned several.

But they all used the umbrella of....NATURAL HORSEMANSHIP.

Go figure.....

it is a SOCIAL term. One that society understands.

I asked over 20 people over the past week. Ranging in backgrounds to being in the ranching business all their life to newbie horse owners. Some were not horse owners at all. But if they had a horse...NH would be the type of training they would prefer.


Could be the area, location, etc. But us Texans are backwards to begin with..... delt with the "john wayne" type people for many more years than you northern folks, and still have many that practice that type of ideas.