Hybrid Horsemanship - My own style - check it out!!!

PollyWog · 02-22-2008, 02:10 PM

I am currently working at a ranch in Florence, Texas called the Lazer Ray Stables. These are videos of Lazer Lavender (2002 14.1 hands grey 1/2 Connemara 1/2 American Sport Pony filly). Let me know what you think!! I'd like *positive critiques*.

This is Lavender getting lounged while wearing the saddle for the first time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMarBhkvF9o" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMarBhkvF9o

This is me installing a steering wheel on Lavender.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5fSVVp157Y" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5fSVVp157Y

Finished Product for her first ride!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znlaMt7JA0Y" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znlaMt7JA0Y

me and morgan · 02-22-2008, 02:16 PM

Last 2 videos no longer available...what happened

PollyWog · 02-22-2008, 02:19 PM

Hmmmm they are available for me..... here are the links to the last 2 again.

YouTube - Lavender's First Ride (Pt 2 Installing Steering Wheel)

YouTube - Lavender's First Ride (Pt 3 Finishing Product)

PollyWog · 02-22-2008, 02:23 PM

Not ALL training was filmed. There were definately a lot of in betweens that we didn't film. But all of this was accomplished in just 2 hours on the first day. The lounging you see me doing with her is just about as much lounging as she did the whole day.

I've got PLENTY of follow up videos if you'd like to see.

PNHPlatinum · 02-22-2008, 02:23 PM

okay well I do have a lot too say about these videos, Espciallyy the ridding. I'm sorry if you feel this is hurting your feeling in any way, but I feel that It's not doing any good to the horse at all. Your posture; your leaning pretty back there, try to stay straight up, and if asking to go lean a bit forward even. So were also pretty jerky with the horse, having no feel. Like you were saying Go here NOW! Insted of what she needs to learn; by you saying, I think you should go here(looking in the direction), please go here(adding leg to ask her), Go here(rein)
This will help break it down for the horse to learn feeling and timing, and will help with future training.
Also bending her head, you also didn't have much feeling either.
What I do to give warning to my horse is slide my hand down 3 times, on the third I will close my figer one by one, and then nicely bring my hand to my thigh and hold it there and just relax untill the horse stops moving it's feet and you feel it relax it's muscles, this will help strech it neck muscles for the riding that day!
Overal your off to a great start and the horse looks really comfy with the whole situation, accepting the saddle rider, and asking to go places with the rider on it's back and not on the ground. Also nice to see you in a smaller area compared to a bigger area for the first ride. I look forward to see more pictures/videos of you two and the training!
Happy Riding,
Rachel

PollyWog · 02-22-2008, 02:26 PM

Thanks,

Yes it was a sloppy day as I only had 2 hours to work with her. I had OTHER horses to work as well. I understand the sloppiness. But one day one I didn't care about my posture etc. We have that down now. But on day one it's just about getting them to accept me on their back and walk a little bit nothing more nothing less. Just an easy day of acceptance of everything.

PollyWog · 02-22-2008, 02:28 PM

Here are PLENTY of first day photos we took of her.....

I've been starting Lavender under saddle and got a few pictures to share. ENJOY!! This was all done in about 2 hours (breaking her in from start to finish)

prairienights · 02-22-2008, 02:37 PM

I agree with Rachel in that there wasn't quite enough of a progression of pressure before you made a "demand." I'll just concentrate on the second video...when doing the flexion (bringing her nose to your knee) she didn't really seem to be making those movements on her own, you were just kind of dragging her head to each side. Instead, you can pull the inside rein taut so she feels it, but nothing that would move her head over. Then tug a little bit more so you're putting enough pressure where she feels a little uncomfortable with it and then do not increase the pressure any further than that. She may take a few steps, put her nose up, turn in a circle, whatever, but *do not* let her go until she's standing still and she gives a centimeter of her nose to you. Eventually ask for two centimeters. This way, *she* is the one who is giving you her face rather than you yanking it over.

Also, I think you were trying to get her to turn in circles? That was probably difficult for her because she's still so unbalanced, and I'd personally just like to instill forward motion in them at first However, I did notice that you would ask and ask and kick and pop her with your lead rope and she wouldn't turn, but then you'd just give up and go to the next side. That taught her that if she stands still for long enough you'll quit doing whatever you're doing. Always wait for the right response to release the pressure even if it's just a tiny try at first.

There are a few other things, but also, it'd be a lot easier to get a nice set of cotton or nylon or yachtrope reins so you aren't always getting tangled up in two leadropes

Hope to see more!

BriLeigh · 02-22-2008, 02:40 PM

I personally would not have been messing around with her and been working her for 2 hours, especially for a first ride. Maybe 30 mins at the max. You don't want to fry their brains and even though to you its not a lot, putting the saddle on for the first time is a big deal. And to have to do that and then have you get on trying to get her to bend and learn go cues is a lot for a newbie. She seems very willing, but I just don't think that the young ones just starting out need 2 hours of being worked, no matter what it is.

PollyWog · 02-22-2008, 02:43 PM

No, I didn't teach her if she stands there long enough she'll get away with it. If you notice I eventually MADE her turn the way I was asking. It's hard to see through the videos and explain what you can't see I understand. I know what your saying but the whole "installing the steering wheel". I wasn't asking for flexion I already achieved that on the ground. That was her giving me her head even if it doesn't look like it. I wasn't pulling or yanking it was just barely ounces of pressure. I wasn't wanting her to flex infact I was wanting her to turn. Which in the finishing product you can see I achieved turning. I don't want to instill forward motion firt because I don't lounge them hardly enough for them to start breathing hard. Just enough to blow the wind out to suck the saddle up a bit tighter. When i get a young colt I want to teach them to turn first because if I go for forward motion first their more likely to buck and it's hard to get that head around when they don't know. So i want to teach to turn that head so if she bolted, bucked or reared, I could disengage quickly and get her to stop. So this is just my way of training and hope you guys like/enjoy it and are open to any tips and pointers.

02-22-2008, 02:16 PM	#2
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02-22-2008, 02:23 PM	#5
PNHPlatinum Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: With Indigo Bay Posts: 2,328 Images: 266 Blog Entries: 10	okay well I do have a lot too say about these videos, Espciallyy the ridding. I'm sorry if you feel this is hurting your feeling in any way, but I feel that It's not doing any good to the horse at all. Your posture; your leaning pretty back there, try to stay straight up, and if asking to go lean a bit forward even. So were also pretty jerky with the horse, having no feel. Like you were saying Go here NOW! Insted of what she needs to learn; by you saying, I think you should go here(looking in the direction), please go here(adding leg to ask her), Go here(rein) This will help break it down for the horse to learn feeling and timing, and will help with future training. Also bending her head, you also didn't have much feeling either. What I do to give warning to my horse is slide my hand down 3 times, on the third I will close my figer one by one, and then nicely bring my hand to my thigh and hold it there and just relax untill the horse stops moving it's feet and you feel it relax it's muscles, this will help strech it neck muscles for the riding that day! Overal your off to a great start and the horse looks really comfy with the whole situation, accepting the saddle rider, and asking to go places with the rider on it's back and not on the ground. Also nice to see you in a smaller area compared to a bigger area for the first ride. I look forward to see more pictures/videos of you two and the training! Happy Riding, Rachel __________________ 20lb club: Starting: 154 Current: 147.5 Goal: 135 I got Savvy (level 2)

02-22-2008, 02:37 PM	#8
prairienights Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,076 Images: 311 Blog Entries: 1	I agree with Rachel in that there wasn't quite enough of a progression of pressure before you made a "demand." I'll just concentrate on the second video...when doing the flexion (bringing her nose to your knee) she didn't really seem to be making those movements on her own, you were just kind of dragging her head to each side. Instead, you can pull the inside rein taut so she feels it, but nothing that would move her head over. Then tug a little bit more so you're putting enough pressure where she feels a little uncomfortable with it and then do not increase the pressure any further than that. She may take a few steps, put her nose up, turn in a circle, whatever, but do not let her go until she's standing still and she gives a centimeter of her nose to you. Eventually ask for two centimeters. This way, she is the one who is giving you her face rather than you yanking it over. Also, I think you were trying to get her to turn in circles? That was probably difficult for her because she's still so unbalanced, and I'd personally just like to instill forward motion in them at first However, I did notice that you would ask and ask and kick and pop her with your lead rope and she wouldn't turn, but then you'd just give up and go to the next side. That taught her that if she stands still for long enough you'll quit doing whatever you're doing. Always wait for the right response to release the pressure even if it's just a tiny try at first. There are a few other things, but also, it'd be a lot easier to get a nice set of cotton or nylon or yachtrope reins so you aren't always getting tangled up in two leadropes Hope to see more! __________________ ___() () _ ~/( o o) _~/ _ __\\ _~/ __ _ (,,)

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02-22-2008, 02:23 PM	#4
PollyWog Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Killeen, Tx Posts: 701 Images: 6	Not ALL training was filmed. There were definately a lot of in betweens that we didn't film. But all of this was accomplished in just 2 hours on the first day. The lounging you see me doing with her is just about as much lounging as she did the whole day. I've got PLENTY of follow up videos if you'd like to see.

02-22-2008, 02:26 PM	#6
PollyWog Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Killeen, Tx Posts: 701 Images: 6	Thanks, Yes it was a sloppy day as I only had 2 hours to work with her. I had OTHER horses to work as well. I understand the sloppiness. But one day one I didn't care about my posture etc. We have that down now. But on day one it's just about getting them to accept me on their back and walk a little bit nothing more nothing less. Just an easy day of acceptance of everything.

02-22-2008, 02:28 PM	#7
PollyWog Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Killeen, Tx Posts: 701 Images: 6	Here are PLENTY of first day photos we took of her..... I've been starting Lavender under saddle and got a few pictures to share. ENJOY!! This was all done in about 2 hours (breaking her in from start to finish)

02-22-2008, 02:40 PM	#9
BriLeigh Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington Posts: 347 Images: 12	I personally would not have been messing around with her and been working her for 2 hours, especially for a first ride. Maybe 30 mins at the max. You don't want to fry their brains and even though to you its not a lot, putting the saddle on for the first time is a big deal. And to have to do that and then have you get on trying to get her to bend and learn go cues is a lot for a newbie. She seems very willing, but I just don't think that the young ones just starting out need 2 hours of being worked, no matter what it is.

02-22-2008, 02:43 PM	#10
PollyWog Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Killeen, Tx Posts: 701 Images: 6	No, I didn't teach her if she stands there long enough she'll get away with it. If you notice I eventually MADE her turn the way I was asking. It's hard to see through the videos and explain what you can't see I understand. I know what your saying but the whole "installing the steering wheel". I wasn't asking for flexion I already achieved that on the ground. That was her giving me her head even if it doesn't look like it. I wasn't pulling or yanking it was just barely ounces of pressure. I wasn't wanting her to flex infact I was wanting her to turn. Which in the finishing product you can see I achieved turning. I don't want to instill forward motion firt because I don't lounge them hardly enough for them to start breathing hard. Just enough to blow the wind out to suck the saddle up a bit tighter. When i get a young colt I want to teach them to turn first because if I go for forward motion first their more likely to buck and it's hard to get that head around when they don't know. So i want to teach to turn that head so if she bolted, bucked or reared, I could disengage quickly and get her to stop. So this is just my way of training and hope you guys like/enjoy it and are open to any tips and pointers.