[red00jeep]

Originally Posted by Harley2

OMG, I would be shot if I wasnt turned out properly when I used to show. My old boss used to judge at the National HS in MSG for crying out loud. When announcements were made that we could take our coats off due to the heat, he would say that "the horse cant take his coat off, if you want him to suffer the heat you do too, or else scratch"

Oh and as for when polos came in style for the jumpers, he would tell us it was direspectful tothe tradition of our sport. "If George Morris had to show fully dressed so do you" LOL

HAHAHAH! Love it! My trainer would say the same thing "It's 2 minutes of your life, you'll live".

Gotta love the old school trainers.

[crayon]

lol. I would so not be allowed to show if I weren't dressed properly! Around here, everybody dresses nicely even at 4H shows. I think that when peopel don't want to put the effort into their turnout, they are lazy and don't care. They shouldn't be showing but rather schooling instead.

[passe831]

Originally Posted by farmeress

My job is done here...oh....and I have strong shoulders....I can carry the weight of your anger

Good on you for braiding

guess what, they ending up cancelling the show so I braided and had to un braid.. way to go

[Oh'When]

Originally Posted by farmeress

How many people do you see at a Dressage show without proper attire...cause here in Canada....especially pony club....that is an absolute no-no

though apparently not as big a no-no as I thought...

imagine this.. pony club testing day, my horse is bathed his mane is neatly roached, I am in my white breeches, tall boots, jacket (and I am not rich... I worked for the tack show to buy my boots.. used and I got my jacket.. used my breeches were the only thing I got new and I worked them off at the tack shop). The other kids in the test show up in jeans, okay maybe they are changing, nope, they honestly wanted to do their test in blue jeans and T-shirts. I have seen those kids turned out better for riding meetings... and they still passed.

honestly I found it totally disrespectful that they put no effort into it. not only to the other two testers that were properly turned out (and one was a 6 year old child) but also to the examiner.

At the local fair a couple weeks ago there were kids showing hunter, in pink polo shirts.

In this area Turnout has definitely fallen by the way-side.

Excellent post though!

[GotaDunQH]

Great thread! And where do I begin...hmmm. Turnout for both horse and rider is EXTREMELY important and it is the first impression the judge sees EVEN before you perform; as you are entering the ring. The judge is already making "mental" notes! Whether it be a small show or big show, you always need to dress the part because this shows the judge you are serious, paid attention to detail, and have taken the time to prepare.

As for the $ needed, you can have good show clothes on a very small budget...so like someone else said, I don't buy that excuse at all. There are plenty of places on the internet and at local tack shops to buy used clothes, equipment, etc. The judge doesn't know how much $ you spent and can't see brand name labels, as long as what you have is appropriate and fits well.

Jennifer

[Kodachrome]

Originally Posted by red00jeep

HAHAHAH! Love it! My trainer would say the same thing "It's 2 minutes of your life, you'll live".

Gotta love the old school trainers.

LOL!! We were NEVER allowed to waive coats. Even at the lowest level schooling shows. We were expected to show with full coats, shirts, collars, pins, and we each had a "show" helmet, which back then had nothing to it, not even a chinstrap. LOL!!!! And if you forgot gloves or a hairnet, you scratched. Period.

[guess who]

Originally Posted by Kodachrome

LOL!! We were NEVER allowed to waive coats. Even at the lowest level schooling shows. We were expected to show with full coats, shirts, collars, pins, and we each had a "show" helmet, which back then had nothing to it, not even a chinstrap. LOL!!!! And if you forgot gloves or a hairnet, you scratched. Period.

Same. They never waive jackets here, ever. Doesn't matter if its showing, jumping or dressage. Whatever. Jackets remain on, and it doesn't matter if its the middle of summer at midday on the hottest day of the year. And yes, it gets hot where I live Some of the clasees involve judges rides, and they can last a few hours. But its expected. If that happens I just make sure my shirt underneath my jacket is light and short sleeved..and take it off in between classes.

[Kodachrome]

Originally Posted by farmeress

Technically...though....it does count......no matter if it is a schooling show in Dressage....proper attire is always required for this discipline....even at permit levels.....and any coach who does not stress this to their students in regards to Dressage Ettiquitte....needs to have them shaken by the shoulders

I would actually apply a comment to the riders page in regards to this....a dirty jacket....usually denotes a mishap....but it is still worn into the ring.

How many people do you see at a Dressage show without proper attire...cause here in Canada....especially pony club....that is an absolute no-no

With the exceptions of in barn schooling shows for first time experience (riders compete with other barn students only and the judge is often another coach trading off services.......)

As for Dressage (at least in my area) - for the schooling shows (unrated), they clearly spell out "schooling attire". Koda and I just showed a few weeks ago in our first dressage schooling show, and we were not out of our element. Low levels (Intro, Training) wore breeches, polos, belts, boots/half chaps, etc. The upper levels wore the entire gambit - and of course braided. On our class lists, it clearly spelled out that we were allowed to wear leg protection, polos, and half chaps. The only people that did this, however - were the lower levels (like I said) Here's our turnout for the show - (PS, I scrubbed for three hours on this horse, dammit. I turned out. LMAO!)



And my friend Amanda's turnout for the same show (where she was showing only lower level like me (on my horse - she took him training, I took him intro)



Heck, now that I think about it - the low levels around here even compete in rated shows in polos... the shadbelly's are kind of kept to the big time ladies... There were 4th levels at this particular show, and they turned out to the HILT..... This is Erin at Tryon, and she was showing First Level here. She finished with awesome scores:



And here is Amanda doing 2nd level at a rated show - you can see the turnout difference....



Anywho, I guess what I am trying to say that in dressage it seems to correspond with the levels.... at least RIDER turnout. And you KNOW a dressage judge would not have an issue telling you you scored points off for bad turnout. LOL!!! (Although, that's not on the scoresheet. )

I have only been in the dressage world for about a year - but let me tell you - it seems a LOT more lax than my time in the hunter world.... my trainer would have fainted and shaved her head before she let me EVER ride in a pair of half chaps and a polo. LOL!!!!! And I have been smacked my by current trainer for clipping Koda's muzzle..... LOL!!!! Different beasts, they are.

Lest you think my current trainer a softie, she demands proper turnout even for lessons.... recently telling my 10 year old that if she comes in the ring with her shirt untucked again she will be running laps. In the sand. In the ring. While she holds her horse.

[BlingRacer]

Question:

On the subject of braiding, if you are judging a show where horses will be shown both English and Western in the same day, do you frown on a horse for being banded rather than braided? Because I know that most of the open shows I go to, they do English after Halter but before Western, and the horse is supposed to be banded for the halter and western.

On the subject of clothing (regardless of discipline), I feel that you shouldn't bother going to a show until you have something decent to wear...It is REALLY not expensive if you put some work into it.

Just this weekend, I went to the western resale shop near me and bought a horsemanship slinky and a nice vest for a total of $40. Will I buy showmanship pants and chaps for a small local show? No. I'll wait off on that until I either finish losing weight or go to a bigger show...but I *am* going to wear nicely fitted, starched jeans and an appropriate top with a clean hat and clean boots...

Though I can't afford to buy them till payday, they also had english stuff in my size....Breeches 20-30$, shirts $20, jacket $20, and they all looked nice. Boots are the only thing I've had trouble finding affordably and I think I'll find some of those if I look around a bit more.

[bay_blnd jmpr07]

Originally Posted by Harley2

OMG, I would be shot if I wasnt turned out properly when I used to show. My old boss used to judge at the National HS in MSG for crying out loud. When announcements were made that we could take our coats off due to the heat, he would say that "the horse cant take his coat off, if you want him to suffer the heat you do too, or else scratch"

Oh and as for when polos came in style for the jumpers, he would tell us it was direspectful tothe tradition of our sport. "If George Morris had to show fully dressed so do you" LOL

Not sure if this is the rule everywhere, but when jackets are waved by the judge you are still supposed to wear them during Equitation classes. Jackets had been waved a couple shows before on an Open circuit I competed on and that's how we always did it. Jackets for Eq, then off for the rest of the classes (I, being the stubborn one I am, would continue to wear my jacket through out the day anyway).

So one day jackets were waved and I started going in to my Eq class with jacket on (as well as a couple others) the judge stopped us and told us to take our jackets off. I personally didn't think it was that horribly hot out, but I'm a cold person and love the hot hot weather LOL