How to keep a horse from turning...

Mutrok · 01-20-2006, 07:04 AM

her rear end at me??

My two year Olympia's favorite thing to do is turn her butt at me. Now granted I am her new owner and she is testing me at every turn and we have some respect issues (working on them) but I cannot get her to stop turning her rear end into me. She does not try to kick me just turns around and points it at me. I've tried everything I can think of and she still persists. Any creative suggestions out there?????

My most common view of her. While I think she has a nice looking rear end....I AM TIRED OF LOOKING AT IT LOL!!

lvmypnt · 01-20-2006, 07:11 AM

hmm, I havent experienced this myself, but I have seen other people just wack the heck out of their butts. However, I really dont think that is a good idea myself. Hmm, if it was me I would probably make her work every time she turns her butt to you. Maybe she would associate work with turning her butt and that would help.

I am sure one of the more experienced folks will have a better idea how to correct it.

But regardless best of luck.

Cara · 01-20-2006, 07:11 AM

when is she doing this? When you go to catch her? If you've already got a halter on her - then take her hindquarters and such... If your in her paddock or round pen or something, then when she starts to do this (before her butts in your face), send her off, make her work, that is not acceptable, be angry with her...but not for too long. Let her come back to you - if by then she completely ignores you, then make her work again, then draw her back in, if she comes in and shows you her butt, then make her work again. Making her work does not mean getting her so tired that she decides to give in, but just a couple times around the ring or small paddock so she realizes that she's got to pay attention and not turn her butt towards you.

You can do this in a larger pasture too...but it will take more time...it helps if you've got the backing up to "pull her towards you" down already...but if she hasn't been worked with badly before you got her, then she most likely will respond. This would probably take a day or two for her to learn not to show you her butt, depending on how she learns...
that's how I would start off though, there's probably some other ways though too.

JBandRio · 01-20-2006, 07:41 AM

IMHO turning a butt to me is not acceptable.

What have you tried?

This is where a long dressage whip comes in handy. Assuming you have a halter and leadrope on, start tapping her butt, on one side, to ask her to move it over. If she ignores, ask harder. If she ignores, ask harder still. If she STILL ignores, "ask" her in such a manner that she would really rather not have you do that again. The long whip is necessary to stay out of firing range. At any point in time if she offers to move over even a small amount, stop asking and praise her.

If you have a halter and leadrope on, you either don't have proper control of her head or you're putting yourself in a situation where she can turn her butt to you. Neither are acceptable

Regardless of whether you like Parelli or not, his 7 games are such excellent tools to get around every problem you could encounter with a horse on the ground. If you can find someone who's at least through Level 2 in your area to help you, that would be great. Or, get/rent the video of the 7 games. Or if the program in general interests you, the Level 1 dvd series is excellent, and gives you a lot of insight into why horses do what they do.

Mutrok · 01-20-2006, 07:56 AM

I never have this problem when I am leading her. She will often do this when she is tied and I am groming her, putting her boots on, etc. I carry a dressage whip and when she starts to turn into me I give her a reminder tap not to continue. It does not phase her. She is good about giving to pressure in most other situations. If she is standing and I tap her but she will move over. I have been doing the 7 games with her and we are making progress with thoes. She is not hard to catch and will follow me around with her head right next to my shoulder. As soon as I do something that she does not like, ie try to put her boots on, pick her feet, etc she will turn her butt at me. Yesterday in the pasture I went in with her halter and she was on the other side I called to her and she came running over. As soon as she got close to me she started to swing her butt at me, not to kick me. As soon as she started to turn I yelled QUIT and popped her on the side with the lead rope and she stopped. Was that the right thing to do in that situation??

Shotgun93 · 01-20-2006, 08:14 AM

When she turns her butt to you, I would drive her hind over. Don't tie her, just keep the leadrope draped over your arm. When she tried to turn away from you, drive her hind over, pull her head towards you and wait for that opposite eye.

KZWestern · 01-20-2006, 08:24 AM

Ditto what Shotgun said. Put on her halter, hold her lead rope. Take your stick or whatever you use, and start gently waving it towards her hind end, getting more and more emphatic. If she doesn't respond for a bit, put pressure on her front end with the halter and pull her head towards you as you drive her hindquarters away. Repeat... ALOT!! If you do this correctly, you get to the point where you just have to look at her hind end and she'll move it and face you. Atleast that's what my horse does.

Blistering Winds · 01-20-2006, 08:33 AM

Sounds more like a "scratch my butt while your at it please" type attitude.

When a horse does this with me, I'll either use the end of my whip to STOP their rear, then ask them to move over. If that doesn't work, I'll snap the whip into their hip to remind them, THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

Either way, consistancy is key.

After she's standing quietly and NOT moving her hind end toward you, then go back and scratch her croup. This way, she learns you'll scratch her, but her not to ask for it the way she has been.

JBandRio · 01-20-2006, 11:42 AM

If you've been doing Parelli with her, then you need to aggressively work on driving zone 4. Go through the phases, and make Phase 4 count. If she won't move her butt just by you looking at it, she needs more work. Hide Your Hiney - play it often

Mutrok · 01-20-2006, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBandRio

If you've been doing Parelli with her, then you need to aggressively work on driving zone 4. Go through the phases, and make Phase 4 count. If she won't move her butt just by you looking at it, she needs more work. Hide Your Hiney - play it often

Okay...I will really start pushing that. Lets hope it works. Thanks!!

01-20-2006, 07:04 AM	#1
Mutrok Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,395 Images: 259	How to keep a horse from turning... her rear end at me?? My two year Olympia's favorite thing to do is turn her butt at me. Now granted I am her new owner and she is testing me at every turn and we have some respect issues (working on them) but I cannot get her to stop turning her rear end into me. She does not try to kick me just turns around and points it at me. I've tried everything I can think of and she still persists. Any creative suggestions out there????? My most common view of her. While I think she has a nice looking rear end....I AM TIRED OF LOOKING AT IT LOL!!

01-20-2006, 07:11 AM	#3
Cara Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: California Posts: 3,735 Images: 27	when is she doing this? When you go to catch her? If you've already got a halter on her - then take her hindquarters and such... If your in her paddock or round pen or something, then when she starts to do this (before her butts in your face), send her off, make her work, that is not acceptable, be angry with her...but not for too long. Let her come back to you - if by then she completely ignores you, then make her work again, then draw her back in, if she comes in and shows you her butt, then make her work again. Making her work does not mean getting her so tired that she decides to give in, but just a couple times around the ring or small paddock so she realizes that she's got to pay attention and not turn her butt towards you. You can do this in a larger pasture too...but it will take more time...it helps if you've got the backing up to "pull her towards you" down already...but if she hasn't been worked with badly before you got her, then she most likely will respond. This would probably take a day or two for her to learn not to show you her butt, depending on how she learns... that's how I would start off though, there's probably some other ways though too. __________________ ~It Depends~ Cara ~ http://dressagecowgrl.blogspot.com ~

01-20-2006, 07:41 AM	#4
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 22,428 Images: 138 Blog Entries: 12	IMHO turning a butt to me is not acceptable. What have you tried? This is where a long dressage whip comes in handy. Assuming you have a halter and leadrope on, start tapping her butt, on one side, to ask her to move it over. If she ignores, ask harder. If she ignores, ask harder still. If she STILL ignores, "ask" her in such a manner that she would really rather not have you do that again. The long whip is necessary to stay out of firing range. At any point in time if she offers to move over even a small amount, stop asking and praise her. If you have a halter and leadrope on, you either don't have proper control of her head or you're putting yourself in a situation where she can turn her butt to you. Neither are acceptable Regardless of whether you like Parelli or not, his 7 games are such excellent tools to get around every problem you could encounter with a horse on the ground. If you can find someone who's at least through Level 2 in your area to help you, that would be great. Or, get/rent the video of the 7 games. Or if the program in general interests you, the Level 1 dvd series is excellent, and gives you a lot of insight into why horses do what they do. __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

01-20-2006, 08:14 AM	#6
Shotgun93 Senior Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Southwest SD Posts: 13,571 Images: 124	When she turns her butt to you, I would drive her hind over. Don't tie her, just keep the leadrope draped over your arm. When she tried to turn away from you, drive her hind over, pull her head towards you and wait for that opposite eye. __________________ In the quiet light of the stable, you hear a muffled snort, the stamp of a hoof, a friendly nicker. Gentle eyes inquire, "How was your day old friend?" and suddenly, all your troubles fade away. -Author Unknown

01-20-2006, 08:24 AM	#7
KZWestern Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,642 Images: 35	Ditto what Shotgun said. Put on her halter, hold her lead rope. Take your stick or whatever you use, and start gently waving it towards her hind end, getting more and more emphatic. If she doesn't respond for a bit, put pressure on her front end with the halter and pull her head towards you as you drive her hindquarters away. Repeat... ALOT!! If you do this correctly, you get to the point where you just have to look at her hind end and she'll move it and face you. Atleast that's what my horse does. __________________ Kristie + Isis = Krisis!!!!!!!!! Isis - slaughter rescue Grattitude - Swedish Warmblood

01-20-2006, 07:11 AM	#2
lvmypnt Senior Member+ Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,717 Images: 68	hmm, I havent experienced this myself, but I have seen other people just wack the heck out of their butts. However, I really dont think that is a good idea myself. Hmm, if it was me I would probably make her work every time she turns her butt to you. Maybe she would associate work with turning her butt and that would help. I am sure one of the more experienced folks will have a better idea how to correct it. But regardless best of luck.

01-20-2006, 07:56 AM	#5
Mutrok Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,395 Images: 259	I never have this problem when I am leading her. She will often do this when she is tied and I am groming her, putting her boots on, etc. I carry a dressage whip and when she starts to turn into me I give her a reminder tap not to continue. It does not phase her. She is good about giving to pressure in most other situations. If she is standing and I tap her but she will move over. I have been doing the 7 games with her and we are making progress with thoes. She is not hard to catch and will follow me around with her head right next to my shoulder. As soon as I do something that she does not like, ie try to put her boots on, pick her feet, etc she will turn her butt at me. Yesterday in the pasture I went in with her halter and she was on the other side I called to her and she came running over. As soon as she got close to me she started to swing her butt at me, not to kick me. As soon as she started to turn I yelled QUIT and popped her on the side with the lead rope and she stopped. Was that the right thing to do in that situation??

01-20-2006, 08:33 AM	#8
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 31,866 Images: 822 Blog Entries: 17	Sounds more like a "scratch my butt while your at it please" type attitude. When a horse does this with me, I'll either use the end of my whip to STOP their rear, then ask them to move over. If that doesn't work, I'll snap the whip into their hip to remind them, THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. Either way, consistancy is key. After she's standing quietly and NOT moving her hind end toward you, then go back and scratch her croup. This way, she learns you'll scratch her, but her not to ask for it the way she has been. __________________ HGS is a very powerful, addicting place that is just as bad as cigarettes, however healthier for you AND your horse.

01-20-2006, 11:42 AM	#9
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 22,428 Images: 138 Blog Entries: 12	If you've been doing Parelli with her, then you need to aggressively work on driving zone 4. Go through the phases, and make Phase 4 count. If she won't move her butt just by you looking at it, she needs more work. Hide Your Hiney - play it often __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

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