How to get a black horse

twoeels · 10-09-2006, 09:00 AM

I am considering buying a Gypsy stallion and 2 Gypsy mares that are black with white legs (They look like little Shires). Since the black horses came from black and white horses, what are my chances of getting black foals with no color? From what I remember about genetics and sweet peas and stuff, I think it's 3 out of 4 will be black. Does anyone know? Also is it possible to do genetic testing to see if they are homozygous for black (which I think means they would produce 100% black foals). Do both parents have to be homozygous or just one? If there is a test, how much is it and where would I get it done?

Sandra-A1 · 10-09-2006, 09:41 AM

Here is the site with information on color testing and the price: Horse Tests

JBandRio · 10-09-2006, 04:15 PM

If these horses are really black, not just dark bay or dark brown, then you at least know that the bay modifier isn't involved. What you don't know is whether the red gene is involved. If either of the breeding pair is homozygous for black, meaning they have 2 black genes and no red genes, then the foal will be black. If both are heterozygous black, then you have a 75% chance of black, and 25% chance of chestnut.

Whether or not you get spots depends on if either of the breeding pair is homozygous or heterozygous for spots. If either is homozygous, you'll get spots. If both are heterozygous, you have a 75% chance of spots, 25% chance of solid.

As Sandra listed, UC Davis does color testing, and there's another place that I'm not remembering at the moment. It's not expensive, $60 or less.

Xiphias · 10-09-2006, 04:30 PM

Why would you want a solid black gypsey horse? I would think that you would want them to be black and white....they are such beautiful horses....Cathy

twoeels · 10-10-2006, 08:02 AM

Thanks for the information. I'm not far from UC Davis, so that's doable.

Xiphias, there was a song in the 60s or thereabouts--"diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks". I like Gypsies and I like black horses. Since I'm not the only one, and there is a market for them, I'd like to breed them. I can appreciate your liking the traditional ones though.

Heavenly Jumper · 10-10-2006, 10:12 AM

How to get a black horse -

Go get one from Shell, she is hogging quite a few really nice ones!

LOL

Seriously, I have never seen an all black GV...do you have any photos?

twoeels · 10-10-2006, 08:06 PM

Here is one like the mini-Shire type I am looking for

Here's another

Appylvr · 10-10-2006, 09:47 PM

I love Gypsies! In any color!!!

The Gypsy King has a black colt with white legs... his name is BB King

10-09-2006, 09:00 AM	#1
twoeels Full Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 40	How to get a black horse I am considering buying a Gypsy stallion and 2 Gypsy mares that are black with white legs (They look like little Shires). Since the black horses came from black and white horses, what are my chances of getting black foals with no color? From what I remember about genetics and sweet peas and stuff, I think it's 3 out of 4 will be black. Does anyone know? Also is it possible to do genetic testing to see if they are homozygous for black (which I think means they would produce 100% black foals). Do both parents have to be homozygous or just one? If there is a test, how much is it and where would I get it done?

10-09-2006, 09:41 AM	#2
Sandra-A1 Senior Member+ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,532 Images: 236	Here is the site with information on color testing and the price: Horse Tests __________________ "It is our choices Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." ~Dumbledore

10-09-2006, 04:15 PM	#3
JBandRio Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 23,676 Images: 144 Blog Entries: 12	If these horses are really black, not just dark bay or dark brown, then you at least know that the bay modifier isn't involved. What you don't know is whether the red gene is involved. If either of the breeding pair is homozygous for black, meaning they have 2 black genes and no red genes, then the foal will be black. If both are heterozygous black, then you have a 75% chance of black, and 25% chance of chestnut. Whether or not you get spots depends on if either of the breeding pair is homozygous or heterozygous for spots. If either is homozygous, you'll get spots. If both are heterozygous, you have a 75% chance of spots, 25% chance of solid. As Sandra listed, UC Davis does color testing, and there's another place that I'm not remembering at the moment. It's not expensive, $60 or less. __________________ - JB Acres, owned and operated by Dynamite animals. - It's a wonder horses as a whole don't just kill us all and be done with their misery. - Keep your voice soothing and low - even when things get western (buck1173) - Rio feels good - he bounced an in-and-out

10-09-2006, 04:30 PM	#4
Xiphias Senior Member+ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Maryland, horse country USA Posts: 16,763 Images: 627 Blog Entries: 29	Why would you want a solid black gypsey horse? I would think that you would want them to be black and white....they are such beautiful horses....Cathy __________________ Member COL Club- hand over the Oil of Olay and nobody gets hurt! http://www.freewebs.com/xiphias21034/ I was on HGS the day we made 2 million posts and 3 million posts I've been snowballed 6 times

10-10-2006, 10:12 AM	#6
Heavenly Jumper Senior Member+ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Yokosuka, Japan Posts: 15,463 Images: 1323 Blog Entries: 272	How to get a black horse - Go get one from Shell, she is hogging quite a few really nice ones! LOL Seriously, I have never seen an all black GV...do you have any photos? __________________ OMG I'm actually IN JAPAN! like, right now! .'~'. epi tan e epi tas .'~'. I've been SNOWBALLED X10!I have been NOEL’ed and Blessed In His Name

10-10-2006, 08:02 AM	#5
twoeels Full Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 40	Thanks for the information. I'm not far from UC Davis, so that's doable. Xiphias, there was a song in the 60s or thereabouts--"diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks". I like Gypsies and I like black horses. Since I'm not the only one, and there is a market for them, I'd like to breed them. I can appreciate your liking the traditional ones though.

10-10-2006, 08:06 PM	#7
twoeels Full Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 40	Here is one like the mini-Shire type I am looking for Here's another

10-10-2006, 09:47 PM	#8
Appylvr Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: California Posts: 7,128 Images: 310	I love Gypsies! In any color!!! The Gypsy King has a black colt with white legs... his name is BB King __________________ A solitary ride through the bush is more beneficial than six months with the best psychiatrist I've been snowballed! No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle

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