[Top Dun]

Sorry computer was acting up and I basicaly posted the same thing twice.
So what happens to the zoo's we are already imorting 30% of our beef form over seas and we are eatting almost all of it ourselves. We do still have a need for horse slaughter. And in the wording of this bill, stopping horse slaughter for HUMAN consumption will NOT stop all horse slaughter. Zoo's still need their meat to feed all those lions and tigers and bears etc.

I guess people just don't think about that. Stop ALL horse slaughter and you will
1: Put a BUNCH of smaller zoos out of business
2: increase the cost of your beef, Chicken and pork due to higer demands by the zoos.


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698230-34.stm

"All the cats eat ground horse meat purchased from vendors who package zoo carnivore diets. It comes in frozen and has to be thawed for 24 hours," Ms. Suthard said. "Some of the cats will snag a snack on their own. Mallard ducks, free-ranging on the Allegheny River, will fly up here to the zoo hoping to cadge a free meal. Occasionally, they become the meal."
The lions eat the whole duck, usually leaving the beaks and feet.
Once a week, the lions will get a horse leg bone with some meat on it for a treat. The gnawing and chewing is good for cleaning their teeth. For another occasional change-up in their diet, the keepers toss them a whole dead rabbit -- the works, hair, ears and entrails.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/comme...4728-2234r.htm

Slaughter plants provide U.S. Department of Agriculture-inspected horse meat to zoo animals across our nation. If HR 503 passes, lions, tigers and other animals will lose this access to the only federally inspected source of special proteins their bodies need to mimic what they would eat in the wild.

Originally Posted by summersmyhorse

Common Myths about Horse Slaughter

pass the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act (S. 1915/H.R. 503) which would establish a permanent ban on horse slaughter.

Fact: Untrue. The passage of The American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act will prohibit the slaughter of horses for human consumption, as well as the trade and transport of horseflesh and live horses intended for human consumption. This legislation will terminate any legal option for sending American horses to slaughter within the United States at one of the three, foreign-owned plants or to any foreign slaughterhouse.

[Blistering Winds]

human consumption and for other purposes will probably stop the ability of horse meat for zoos period. not just from shutting down the slaughter house, but by limiting our ability to go drop the horse off at the renderer and let them process the meat for the zoos. Animals are "for othe purposes".

All it takes is one judge....and someone will find him.....to say FOR OTHER PURPOSES ment animal consumption as well. As many owners have spoke up against using hrose meat in their dog food (but ..they don't know what byproducts are). Not hte main ingredient..but still.

THEN, that avenue will be shut down.

[Top Dun]

Yep and then
1. Zoos will be forced to find alternative feeds for their animals or go out of business altogether.
2. Zoos that do start feeding more chicken, beef and poultry will increase an already stretched demand for those meats and we WILL se an additional rise in the cost of those meats for human consumption.

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

human consumption and for other purposes will probably stop the ability of horse meat for zoos period. not just from shutting down the slaughter house, but by limiting our ability to go drop the horse off at the renderer and let them process the meat for the zoos. Animals are "for othe purposes".

All it takes is one judge....and someone will find him.....to say FOR OTHER PURPOSES ment animal consumption as well. As many owners have spoke up against using hrose meat in their dog food (but ..they don't know what byproducts are). Not hte main ingredient..but still.

THEN, that avenue will be shut down.

[John]

Who owns the FOREIGN-OWNED plants? What about the plants that are not foreign owned?

[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by John

Who ownes the FOREIGN-OWNED plants? What about the plants that are not foreign owned?

John
Bouvry owns Fort MacCleod in Canada, he also owns the feed/kill lot in Great Falls, Montana.
He owns more, but I am not on my regular computer, I have it there.
Bouvry has been, and continues to cited and fined for poor operating conditons from mistreatment of animals to a unsafe working conditions for his employees.

[Blistering Winds]

I wonder how the borders will be affected? Those that do international showing and literally haul 10-15 horses? World Wide travel!

Will a show person, who has to put their horse down, be charged if, while in Canada, they drop one of their horses off at the kill plant to dispose of?


Honestly, it is stepping on my religious freedom. Especially if my right to shoot and feed my horse to other animals becomes illegal.

[Sandra-A1]

All of those who do not want this Bill to be passed had better quit being part of the silent majority and get busy writing, emailing and telephoning our Senators and Representatives in Washington and tell them how we want them to vote!
You can bet your last dollar that the Animal Rights Groups are busy pushing their side to the people in Washington 24/7!
Horse owners are about to be in one heck of a situation if this Bill makes it thru! Many will no longer be able to show or enjoy their horses like they do now...some will not even be able to own them. As time passes there will be more and more restrictions placed on horse ownership...then before long there will be even fewer owners until there are none!
Be afraid....yes be very afraid!!!!!
We can no longer sit idle, thinking that it just won't happen because folks IT IS!!!
The day has come where horse and pet owners have got to unite and stand up and say "Leave us alone! We have already got laws on the books that regulate how these animals should be treated & cared for, we do NOT need any more! What we want is to see funds appropriated so that these laws that are already in place can be enforced."

I have been writing and telephoning my Representatives in Washington as well as state capatol....have you?

[Blistering Winds]

Yep....I have.

[Top Dun]

You can sure bet that I have also!

Originally Posted by Sandra-A1

I have been writing and telephoning my Representatives in Washington as well as state capatol....have you?

[Equine_Harmony]

I would like a list of all things that will go wrong if horse slaughter is banned. a numbered list, with facts, this will help me oput as other anti slaughter people, I don't see many anti slaughter people on threads like this, other than a few here stand their ground, I have had past times pms from peole who were anti slaughter timid about this site knowing they are anti slaughter, it is time people if you read this thread and your anti slaughter it would be very important to have you say of how you feel on what will be the positive side IF this is banned for I see reasons of the pro slaughter's reasons I add that with respect to them and how they feel this will be a big issue, so I urge anti slaughter's to be active in a nice way no fight here, it would just for myself and others to be able to see both sides very clear.


When I see people in fear of this bann if done, this makes me think of you. all that con go wrong. If one should ever wanted to know why I am anti slaughter while here I am in normacy, I will state here and now. To me this animl should not be slaughtered, to me he is like a dog, I think of him as a pet, he has saved lifes and still does, some of you may have had this animal save your life, so you will know why I fight for him, why I risked my life in the round pen. I don't find this humane and not reading from animal rights links, I received info: from my father's best freind since childhood, he works at Dallas Crown and Beltex plants, last time I spoke to him was months, months ago, I had asked him questions about this industry, while playing a persona I don't have to obtain info: I was told it is not humane and why, was told though it has to be done. I know that in this site there are many people way far more advanced in horse training than I. To know his mind, no way can I picture him in line smelling fear, smelling blood and the cries he hears from the other horses, how he would feel, yes feel in his mind, that is what bothers me, and the c-gun to me I have the right info: the voltage shoulde be increased, one shot brain is fried, ok I seen the old video, but I know that horses don't get one shot in the head every time, if they could, remove the panic from him while he is in the killing line, would make me and others like me feel much better about horse slaughter, another thing is that the three foreign owned are just that, taking on our American horses, I say go to your country and do what you will, why the USA? If the plants were American owned: would I feel better? Yes for that part yes, too many people of other countries come over hre and get fre help, they can open up a resteraunt, they get money from the goverment, but an American in his own country is a minority, out Veterans are treated like ****, our people are on the end while other's can come here and all is payed for? that boils me. We have a president that has put this country in far bad shap fro he is a hot headed man, who has a golden spon in his mouth, he is a war head president, our fathers, brothers, husbands have died over seas, for what? we already did what had to be done after 9 11
and now the middle east is being buit up with our tax money, while this country of ours is sinking, OK I have went off track sorry. Back to horses, the economy is bad, people are stealing horses to make money, people are breeding horses for slaughter, just like we bred our cattle for our food we eat. On the Zoo's they will not suffer if horse slaughter is ended, too many celb and other wil make sure to that one. The Mustang's will die off to a certain amount each year, for we will longer do a round up and if ity is done none will be slaughtered. Laws have to be strict, so that people do not do the wrong thing with this animal, no I am not speaking of people here on this site who are active in this thread. I'm tired and I am not active in trying to stop horse slaughter, why? It is not going to end, no way is it. I know that the politian must think about the welfare of horses, for they in high numbers will affect America, I can't see some politioan not learning of the very thing he or she is speaking about to get votes knows nothing about.


Sorry about my spelling, words are mixed up...