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    My mare has had hoof issues for awhile.. I've also changed her diet a few times, trying to get her on the best diet possible.

    I changed farriers several months ago, I have a great farrier now, both of my horses had underrun heels and other problems, we're well on our way of getting that fixed

    I took my mare in yesterday to get her shoes reset. Her hoof wall on the sides has been really crumbly for awhile, every time I've taken her in, this time she had enough hoof wall missing (crumbly enough her hoof wall on the sides kinda fell apart) so he put some glue in place of the hoof wall, to help hold everything together.

    The farrier put some nails in higher than normal, trying to get attached to some healthier hoof wall. Even the the nails in that hoof wall you could tell wasn't in "good" that hoof wall was dry and crumbly, though not as bad as the bottom..

    I don't know what to do, neither does my farrier.

    She's on Smarthoof (has been for ~6 months), before that she was on 20mg of pure biotin, in about a week she'll be on Sho-Hoof.
    She's on 1lb of a RB along w/ a ounce of Mega-Cell. She's getting fresh grass/grass hay (all she can eat).

    My vet is using Hoof Guard (with Kevlar) on her horse that has problem feet, and maybe that's helping him, she's only been using it a month. The leading farrier in Knoxville, TN reccomended that. There's also "hoof alive" stuff kind of like Corona ointment that you slather on the horse's coronary band and then put a fleece "bracelet" over it.. My vet's been using that for a couple weeks too...

    I don't know what to do. I'm on limited funds, Hoof Guard I can afford *if* it works, Hoof alive costs almost $30 a tub, and you go through a tub pretty fast.

    I feel like she's on a good diet, but if the upper part of the hoof wall is crumbly, then the SmartHoof/pure biotin isn't doing anything..

    She doesn't have great conformation, that's probably contributing to some of the issues with her feet...

    Any ideas? I can get pictures if you want.

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    I've also got her on 6 oz/day of whole flax, in hopes maybe the omega 3's in it would help..
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    Is there any chance you could get pictures of her hooves?
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    This totally probably won't help you but I thought I'd just say SOMETHING. I rode a Hanoverian/Oldenburg with TERRIBLE feet. He basically was too big ( 17 hands and thick) for his teeny tiny feet. He also had shoes glued on and they kept ripping off taking hoof wall with it.

    We were able to get them in pretty good shape after a lot of work, and even was able to show him... barefoot! What we did was ( and I know this sounds nuts) pull the shoes!! The bare foot grew harder with the concussion on the ground without the barrier of the shoe. Obviously we didn't just pull them and let him go though. We kept Easy Boots on him while he was in his paddock/stall area to keep him from hurting on the gravel. When we rode him we put those Mac Boots on ( worked really well) or whenever he went out to the big pasture. We couldn't put the Mac boots on 24/7 because they would rub him if worn too long. When I rode him I'd put some cotton and vet wrap around his coronet band area to keep it from rubbing raw. We also used mosturizer on very dry days to keep them from drying out and crumbling. Afte a good six months of no shoes and the Easy boot Mac boot combo, we could shoe him for an entire six months before they started to crumble again.


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    What is her TOTAL diet now??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horse_Girl9804 View Post
    I took my mare in yesterday to get her shoes reset. Her hoof wall on the sides has been really crumbly for awhile, every time I've taken her in, this time she had enough hoof wall missing (crumbly enough her hoof wall on the sides kinda fell apart) so he put some glue in place of the hoof wall, to help hold everything together.
    Your horse may have a fungal/bacterial infection of the wall. If that is the case, then patching the wall with acrylics without first successfully dealing with the problem, only makes matters worse.
    The farrier put some nails in higher than normal, trying to get attached to some healthier hoof wall. Even the the nails in that hoof wall you could tell wasn't in "good" that hoof wall was dry and crumbly, though not as bad as the bottom..
    Do some research on White Line Disease(WLD)
    I don't know what to do, neither does my farrier.
    Then, IMNTBCHO, you need to find a farrier who has sucessfully dealt with the issue(s) you face and your farrier neeeds to get some continuing education.
    She's on Smarthoof (has been for ~6 months), before that she was on 20mg of pure biotin, in about a week she'll be on Sho-Hoof.
    She's on 1lb of a RB along w/ a ounce of Mega-Cell. She's getting fresh grass/grass hay (all she can eat).
    It doesn't matter in the least what supplement you are feeding her. Until you identify and remediate the cause of the problem you are just wasting your money. YMMV
    My vet is using Hoof Guard (with Kevlar) on her horse that has problem feet, and maybe that's helping him,
    So she's putting a bandaid on the problem without first treating the problem.
    she's only been using it a month.
    So what? Apparently she is avoiding the cause(s) and she should know better than to do that.
    The leading farrier in Knoxville, TN reccomended that. There's also "hoof alive" stuff kind of like Corona ointment that you slather on the horse's coronary band and then put a fleece "bracelet" over it.. My vet's been using that for a couple weeks too...
    INMNTBCHO, if God him/herself was doing that, it wouldn't solve the problem because the underlying causes have not been identified or dealt with.
    I don't know what to do. I'm on limited funds, Hoof Guard I can afford *if* it works, Hoof alive costs almost $30 a tub, and you go through a tub pretty fast.
    Save your money and apply it towards finding a farrier who knows what s/he's doing.
    She doesn't have great conformation, that's probably contributing to some of the issues with her feet...
    or, ignorance and incompetence are the operating factors.........
    Any ideas? I can get pictures if you want.
    Pictures are always helpful so long as the camera man knows what he/she is doing.
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    Another question? Is it the horse or the weather?

    We've had a ton of rain here, way more than normal and my horses feet are nothing like they normally would be. Even the Mustang with his iron hard feet is chipping like mad. And he never chips! Nothing short of some dry weather is going to change that.
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    She's getting fresh grass/grass hay (all she can eat).
    I would start by pulling her off the grass and just giving her the hay, soaked/hosed down if she's by herself or with one or two other horses. Brittle, cruddy hoof quality is one of the big symptoms of a horse who is having chronic low-grade laminitis. If she is flat-soled and sore on hard surfaces when she doesn't have shoes on, has a soft sole, then I would be pointing the finger at her "freechoice grass + hay" diet, and start there first.

    WLD could also be a side effect, as the weaker hoofwall allows easier access of nasty microorganisms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IIIBarsV View Post
    I would start by pulling her off the grass and just giving her the hay, soaked/hosed down if she's by herself or with one or two other horses. Brittle, cruddy hoof quality is one of the big symptoms of a horse who is having chronic low-grade laminitis. If she is flat-soled and sore on hard surfaces when she doesn't have shoes on, has a soft sole, then I would be pointing the finger at her "freechoice grass + hay" diet, and start there first.

    WLD could also be a side effect, as the weaker hoofwall allows easier access of nasty microorganisms.
    I doubt that it's the grass - she's only been on the grass for a few months. She's on hay most of the time, because my pasture isn't very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeggySue View Post
    What is her TOTAL diet now??
    1 lbs RB
    1 oz. Mega Cell
    1 oz. SmartHoof
    6 oz. whole flax
    1 oz. Arthritis supp.
    .5 oz MSM

    Depending on her weight, she's getting ~1 lb. whole oats, ~1 lb. BOSS.

    Depending on what my pasture is like, she gets 12 hrs to 24/7 turnout on grass. Most of the year she's on free choice grass hay.
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