[Lou3]

Originally Posted by Equine_Harmony

Lou3,

Your studing to be a Vetenarain? Your client's would bring in pets and such to be Euthanized, so I was wondering how you would deal with this? I asume you wanting to take on this as a career, you must love animals...Just a Q here, nothing more to it. I have had pets put to sleep throughout my life, nothing ever went wronmg, thiough I don't doubt people when they seen this first hand , gone wrong. I did get to my Uncle who is a Veternarain, it it is done right, all should be fine. He is for slaughter of the horse too, feels that it is humane, I did ask him what is more humane he said Euthanaisa, but that is his out look as well as dealing for 32 years in practice.
Tammy

For small rodents recommended euthanasia method is dislocation of the neck severing the spinal cord, however owners seem to prefer the injection - its their look out, both are of an acceptable standard for animal welfare. For dogs and cats it is impractical to do anything other than administer an overdose of barbituates, although this can be distressing for the owner - as cats in particular seem to fight the drug and owners can become very upset by the twitching although the animal is not really in pain. We always try to encourage owners to leave the room during the actual administration of the drug at the place where I see practice.
For horses I will get my fire-arms lisence and carry a humane killer gun where-ever such services might be needed and will ALWAYS recommend this as the preferable method to horse-owners. If they are adamant they want the injection they will also have to put up with a whole load of sedative going in first. Horses seem to react the most violently and the most often to the barbituates. My father (who is also a vet) always recommends the gun over the injection also. It may be less "pretty" from an aesthetics point of view but he has always found (and I have always observed) that it in fact causes less stress to both animal AND owner, if they can be gently persuaded it is the right way to go.
Neither method constitutes what would be a contravention of animal welfare, the gun is my personal preference as to what I have seen to give the easiest death to the animal.

[Lou3]

Originally Posted by deisel_roxmysox

yea I know...but just because people want to express how they feel on the subject dosent mean someone who obviously dosent care for the subject and have to put that person down...if you are done about these kind of threads than ignor them..not come in here all oh well blah blah....

EH you shouldnt be apologizing.

The post you quoted was made about two weeks ago. At the time there were about three threads open on the same topic and a couple more that had just been closed down. One slaughter thread is fine but there are no need for five threads on the same topic, thats called Spam, and that was the only point I was trying to make with my original post. One thread you can keep track of but unless EVERYONE posts their thoughts in the SAME thread you end up with fragmented conversations and spinning heads and no-one really getting their point across or understanding what people are saying. Either that or everyone repeating the same thing over and over again.

[Lou3]

Originally Posted by Beau

This isn't the kind of emotion that I'm talking about. You saving your horse is great, it's great that you can afford to give the extra care to your horse, but some people can't afford it. Euthinasia would of course be an option, but some people can't afford the extra costs that come with that- burial, or if it's not allowed, cremation, both can be expensive. Slaughter can be an option for people in this type of situation, and I think people should be free to choose. My problem with emotion is when it clouds peoples vision of reality. Yes, I love horses, but I know that slaughter is nesecarry at this point in time. There are just too many horses that people can't afford to look after. People come on here and say no horse slaughter, the poor horses, save them, that kind of emotion is not helpful. I don't mean that we should have no emotion on the subject and be completley cold, I only mean that emotion shouldn't stop people from seeing what's really going on, and what is necessary.

Eloquently put.

[Equine_Harmony]

Originally Posted by Lou3

For small rodents recommended euthanasia method is dislocation of the neck severing the spinal cord, however owners seem to prefer the injection - its their look out, both are of an acceptable standard for animal welfare. For dogs and cats it is impractical to do anything other than administer an overdose of barbituates, although this can be distressing for the owner - as cats in particular seem to fight the drug and owners can become very upset by the twitching although the animal is not really in pain. We always try to encourage owners to leave the room during the actual administration of the drug at the place where I see practice.
For horses I will get my fire-arms lisence and carry a humane killer gun where-ever such services might be needed and will ALWAYS recommend this as the preferable method to horse-owners. If they are adamant they want the injection they will also have to put up with a whole load of sedative going in first. Horses seem to react the most violently and the most often to the barbituates. My father (who is also a vet) always recommends the gun over the injection also. It may be less "pretty" from an aesthetics point of view but he has always found (and I have always observed) that it in fact causes less stress to both animal AND owner, if they can be gently persuaded it is the right way to go.
Neither method constitutes what would be a contravention of animal welfare, the gun is my personal preference as to what I have seen to give the easiest death to the animal.

Thank you for the information, I had no idea that horses could have bad effects, I beleive in the old fashion way too, I find this humane, as long as the one doing it knows how to and you gettting your fire-arm licence is a plus. My Uncle works on no horses, that I know of. He just told me he finds euthanaisa more humane than the C-gun, well no arguement nor debate, thank you again for the info:

Tammy

[Lou3]

Originally Posted by Equine_Harmony

Thank you for the information, I had no idea that horses could have bad effects, I beleive in the old fashion way too, I find this humane, as long as the one doing it knows how to and you gettting your fire-arm licence is a plus. My Uncle works on no horses, that I know of. He just told me he finds euthanaisa more humane than the C-gun, well no arguement nor debate, thank you again for the info:

Tammy

Its not really that the drug itself has bad effects, it doesnt cause pain or anything but some horses will start to feel themselves "shut down" and will panic and try and fight it. I have seen them exhibit signs of considerable stress which has upset the owners as much as the horse.
It is for this reason I prefer the gun, I have never seen one exhibit signs of stress when put down this way.

[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by Beau

This isn't the kind of emotion that I'm talking about. You saving your horse is great, it's great that you can afford to give the extra care to your horse, but some people can't afford it. Euthinasia would of course be an option, but some people can't afford the extra costs that come with that- burial, or if it's not allowed, cremation, both can be expensive. Slaughter can be an option for people in this type of situation, and I think people should be free to choose. My problem with emotion is when it clouds peoples vision of reality. Yes, I love horses, but I know that slaughter is nesecarry at this point in time. There are just too many horses that people can't afford to look after. People come on here and say no horse slaughter, the poor horses, save them, that kind of emotion is not helpful. I don't mean that we should have no emotion on the subject and be completley cold, I only mean that emotion shouldn't stop people from seeing what's really going on, and what is necessary.

Beau thanks for explaining it more. I get now what you were saying

Yeah, it is tough financially to keep him the way I have. But, I wouldn't have it any other way. When I bought him I knew he would be with me till the end and I would take on any financial responsibility that came with it. Right now I work 1 full time job and 3 part time jobs. It is hard and tiring, but that is the kind of animal owner that I am.

[Blistering Winds]

EH, has your Uncle ever SEEN the proper use of a Captive Bolt?

Not many vets have. Especially if they haven't specialized in large animals.

There isn't enough time in Vet school to get the medical aspect down, let alone all the different kinds of euthanasia procedures.

I personally have been taught the neck breaking in rabbits, chickens, mice, rats, and other small animals. And have performed them. UUUGHHHHH. Now THAT isn't very "humanly pleasant". I shudder thinking about it. But it is quick, and when done properly, humane. You cannot hesitate or do it slow, or you do more harm than good.

[Equine_Harmony]

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

EH, has your Uncle ever SEEN the proper use of a Captive Bolt?

Not many vets have. Especially if they haven't specialized in large animals.

There isn't enough time in Vet school to get the medical aspect down, let alone all the different kinds of euthanasia procedures.

I personally have been taught the neck breaking in rabbits, chickens, mice, rats, and other small animals. And have performed them. UUUGHHHHH. Now THAT isn't very "humanly pleasant". I shudder thinking about it. But it is quick, and when done properly, humane. You cannot hesitate or do it slow, or you do more harm than good.

My Uncle lives in Dallas Texas w/ the rest of my father's side of family. He will not get into much with me, he was warned not to, for the way I acted when my father and best freind told me somethings I mentioned here in the slaughterhouse. He was raised on a farm w/ my father/ had their own cattle and such lived off what they sold and so on. On rodents, they will squirm and may just bite a person, however if done right and quick,
i find this humane.

[norrevangs]

It seems to me that the problem doesn't lie with slaughter but with the way it is done. I sent my horse to the meat factory a few years ago because he was so crippled with navicular. I put him in the trailer and brought him there myself, I booked the time so that there was no waiting around, he was lead away to stable, and shot, I don't know if it was a captive bolt or a gun as I didn't watch, but I made my dad check that he was dead before we left. That way I know he couldn't have suffered. The whole thing took less than 10 minutes. Yes he was weighed and yes they paid me by the pound. There was none of this hoisting up by the leg business or any of the rest of that horrible stuff. This is normal in an Irish abbatoir perhaps a compromise is needed in the US?

[pocahontas]

Wow,

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And it seems to have come to an end with dignity!

YAY TO ALL!!!!!!