[i_luv_moth]

Originally Posted by Barn_Brat

That doesent make shooting them right.....What about all the orphen kids in different around the world...should we just shoot them to..I dont think so! Honeslty, Im not trying to go PETA here but I treat my animals like my children...Horses have the intelligence of about a three year old...Would we cause a tramatic and painful death to a three old because she doesent know who her mother is or because she lives in poverty NO. Horses are against the bibles food list.When you shoot a horse it is like shooting a child IMO. Along with pork selfish and other things. It is my beleif that we dont have to kill them for food. And It is mt beleif that god doesent want us eating them...So yes Im AGAINST slaughter.

First off, comparing a slaughter horse to a child?

And if you don't want to kill them for food,what do you want us to do with our deceased livestock? Shoot them in the head and bury them? There is SO much of it that if we buried them all, well we'd probably be building our houses on HORSE GRAVES! Wow,wouldn't that just be joy!

What are we supposed to eat? Cows,horses,pigs,sheep,chicken are all in the food chain. Without them,we would be eating......PLANTS! Oh yay! I can see us all surviving on dandelions!

I'm not a religious person and i've never picked up a bible in my life but God put the animals on the earth for a reason. To overpopulate the human race?Don't think so.

[i_luv_moth]

Originally Posted by BornToRide

if you eat something thats been euthanized your either going to get real real sick or in some cases could maybe die,

Exactley. Some people haven't realised that yet.

[BreeC]

Alright alright, I do agree that slaughter is necessary - even though it is terrible.

Someone posted awhile back something to the extent of: "Their souls are free of their bodies and are now in the green pastures of horsey heaven." I think that is the best way to think of slaughter.

However, it still gets me that there are some horses that get slaughtered that have served man for their whole lives and then end up there.

But, whatever, my beliefs are my beliefs and yours should be too. I don't think I'm going to be posting on this topic anymore because I don't feel like seeing how other people react to my opinion - some of this can get pretty nasty.

[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

Barn Brat.....it isn't the issue of "retraining" the horses. There are excellent riding horses with awesome training that go to slaughter.

It is the fact that no one purchased them. Either because they didn't like them, can't afford them, etc.

Lets see.....auctions here in the panhandle of texas are PRIME for kill buyers. Why? Because hay is extremely scarce. What it would cost to feed 3-4 horses for a month, now that same amount can only feed ONE horse for a month. Prices are tripling and quadrupling just to feed a horse.

People have no homes to even BRING a horse into. No land to turn them out on. As some acres are STILL burning right now.

Tell me, who is going to take these horses that are sitting in the auction house with NO place to go?

BW you always have really good points, I like hearing them. Those poor horses in your part of the land.

I do believe for those who do not like horse slaughter for their reasons, do need to see both sides. As to pro slaughter people need to also. Then answers and solutions can be had.
Some people are picky about their horses, or to disposable of thier horses. Thus so many at auctions.
At this present time there is an overabundance, partially due to people's greed and irresponsiblity. It has gotten out of hand. Now our poor horses are suffering. Like so much else does on this planet when it is in the hands of humans.

[Blistering Winds]

Originally Posted by pocahontas

BW you always have really good points, I like hearing them. Those poor horses in your part of the land.

I do believe for those who do not like horse slaughter for their reasons, do need to see both sides. As to pro slaughter people need to also. Then answers and solutions can be had.
Some people are picky about their horses, or to disposable of thier horses. Thus so many at auctions.
At this present time there is an overabundance, partially due to people's greed and irresponsiblity. It has gotten out of hand. Now our poor horses are suffering. Like so much else does on this planet when it is in the hands of humans.

Well, at least someone does. LMAO


I love seeing both sides, and try to get people to see both sides. I'm not really in it to change people's minds, but to get them thinking, see scenarios, see options that others see.


Myself and many other "pro" slaugter people know it is coming to an end. HOW it comes to an end is what we are concerned the most with more than anything.

[pocahontas]

http://hobbiehorsestablessanctuary.bravehost.com/

Question: If slaughter isn?t an option, how will we safely dispose of sick, old and unwanted horses?

Answer: Euthanizing and cremating of ones horse or horses is becoming more wide spread around the nation and across the globe. Most responsible horse people want to see their horses go out of this world with as much dignity and respect as us humans do when our time on this planet has reached it's final end. Humane euthanasia and carcass disposal is highly affordable and widely available. The average cost of having a horse humanely euthanized and its carcass safely disposed of is approximately $225, while the average monthly cost of keeping a horse is approximately $200.

Dont' know the extent of what area this was costed?

[pocahontas]

I was seeing some posts that poor starving countries are eating horsemeat. I hadn't heard of that. This is what I found.
Please if anyone who believes that poor countries are eating horses, I would appreciate the education.


http://www.savethehorses.com/faqs.html

Do our horses feed starving people in other countries?
No. Quite the opposite. Rather a $15 a pound delicacy for Japanese, French and Belgian gourmands.


http://academickids.com/encyclopedia/h/ho/horse.html

As Food

Horses are rarely bred for use as food, but the meat of old, injured or discarded animals is used in many places. In 2001, an estimated 153,000 tonnes of horse meat were consumed worldwide. In France horsemeat is sold by specialized butcher shops (boucheries chevalines) as ordinary butcher shops are not allowed to sell horse meat. The eating of horse meat is taboo and abhorrent in some parts of the world, such as Great Britain and the US, and sometimes even illegal. In other parts horse meat has the stigma of being something poor people eat and is seen as a cheap substitute.

[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

Myself and many other "pro" slaugter people know it is coming to an end. HOW it comes to an end is what we are concerned the most with more than anything.

Well, with the rising gas costs, we could always go back to horse and buggy

[Blistering Winds]

That comment was probably made back when gas prices were MUCH cheaper.

Rendering does cost less...depending on the options in your area.

Because we have to burn here, and cannot bury (FYI, our LANDFILL is above the main ground.....that is how bad it is here).....cost rises because they use gas as an accellerant to burn the carcasses of the animals. Cow, Horse, Pig, doesn't matter.

For me, myself, with the people I know, I can have my horse dropped, disposed of for probably 500-750. (Most of the cost is the disposal)

The meds wouldn't cost me much, as my vet gives me cost. (Thank goodness)

But my friend just had hers done, cost her $1250 to drop, transport, and burn her horse.

And that doesn't include the pretty little BOX she could have opted for. That was for her to dispose of and THEY trash the ashes.

Originally Posted by pocahontas

http://hobbiehorsestablessanctuary.bravehost.com/

Question: If slaughter isn?t an option, how will we safely dispose of sick, old and unwanted horses?

Answer: Euthanizing and cremating of ones horse or horses is becoming more wide spread around the nation and across the globe. Most responsible horse people want to see their horses go out of this world with as much dignity and respect as us humans do when our time on this planet has reached it's final end. Humane euthanasia and carcass disposal is highly affordable and widely available. The average cost of having a horse humanely euthanized and its carcass safely disposed of is approximately $225, while the average monthly cost of keeping a horse is approximately $200.

Dont' know the extent of what area this was costed?

[Sandra-A1]

As I said in my eariler post:

The truth is horses have been eaten since man first ate meat. Horsemeat is still eaten in many countries and there are people in the US and Canada who eat horsemeat. Horsemeat is popular in many European countries because it is almost devoid of fat, very low in cholesterol and high in iron. The meat cuts are the same as cattle or sheep. Unlike other meats, the older the horses, the more tender the meat because when horses age muscle fiber breaks down, making it tender.

Both of the above quote was found on the National Animal Interest Alliance website: http://www.naiaonline.org/index.htm