[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by pocahontas

Luvmyshy
I have not doubt that you have love and concern for horses.
There has been some pretty tough posts from a few on lumping rescues and animal rights activists lumped together with blanket statements.
I do not think pro slaughter people are heartless, except for a few heartless rude posts from select people here.

Originally Posted by Lou3

You have the right to post whatever you want but you do NOT have the right to post lies and state they are fact. If you post things from activist sites you have to acknowledge that they are not true.
Activists in any sense are NOT a good thing in any way if they are trying to bring about change through political channels. Change brought about that way on such matters as horse slaughter can only ever be a bad thing. Change for the better is brought about by the people running shelters, educating children, providing care for animals, fund raising for veterinary care and feed for unwanted animals. Change for the worse or at best no change at all is brought about by people starting petitions and wasting their energy protesting about something it is simply not feasible right now to ban.

Originally Posted by Lou3

Then stop caring right now because everything you have ever been told about trauma and suffering in slaughter houses is a LIE. Slaughter is as humane as it is possible for it to be. The captive bolt gun is the MOST humane way to kill a horse.

This is what I mean about some rude and heartless posts.
Blanket statements are always false.
To me they are a bullying tactic.

Out of all the 1000's and 1000's of horses slaughtered each year, I find it hard to believe that none suffered. That the bolt gun was not done properly, and the horse was still conscious, or semi while being slit. There are eyewitness' of this.
Out of all the slaughter houses, with Bouvry(they own Fort McCleod in Canada) being cited for animal abuse and neglect already, that slaughters are strictly following rules.

[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by Equine_Harmony

but now I have a friensd of my fathers who currently does and has to work one of the plants, he told me most, but he could not tell me all, [/color][/b]

My old boyfriend who worked in the Kentucky stockyards where they slaughtered cattle, told me some pretty horrific stories of what people did to cattle there. Even though, it was in the rules and laws not to do so, it still happened.

I get flaber gasted as to why people think this does not happen

[Equine_Harmony]

Originally Posted by Lou3

You have the right to post whatever you want but you do NOT have the right to post lies and state they are fact. If you post things from activist sites you have to acknowledge that they are not true.
Activists in any sense are NOT a good thing in any way if they are trying to bring about change through political channels. Change brought about that way on such matters as horse slaughter can only ever be a bad thing. Change for the better is brought about by the people running shelters, educating children, providing care for animals, fund raising for veterinary care and feed for unwanted animals. Change for the worse or at best no change at all is brought about by people starting petitions and wasting their energy protesting about something it is simply not feasible right now to ban.

I feel I or anyone can post information from reliable sites. I agree with you that people helping the animals and such, this is powerful, it is the "truest" acting, rather than ranting...I write letters, petitions I have heard that are a waste of time, yet I do this anyhow. Lou3 I received inside info: from peole, so now what should I think? that they lied to me? Perhaps in Scotland it is different, not bringing down your countrie at all, just pointing out that, this nned to be really proven, not just my my mouth, it does not prove a thing, people will beleive me or they won't, proof is needed, yet to know this animal how they are smeling blood and fear in the slaughter line hearing the cries of horses, this is a fact, it was proven to me, so I am in this nightmare, I really do see the other sides reasons, this has opened my eyes a lot, yet this has to be humane, Iwill add that you are in sound mental and emotional form when it comes to this and more, for that I do envy you, for myself and people like me it hurts just too much...I never seen a post of you showing emotion on animals, perhaps I have over looked that? Thios just perplexes me very much, I ponder if it was the way you were raised, now I am not putting you down here I am trying to undertand you is all....

[Sandra-A1]

Sorry everyone but, I have to ask this....
Equine Harmony, you keep referring to this "inside information" you have yet you never actually stated exactly what it is.
I must confess that I am curious as to the exact details of this information you have from your "inside sources."
Would you mind sharing it with us here?
You say they told you most but would not tell you all....what exactly does this mean?

[Barn_Brat]

Originally Posted by Lou3

Then stop caring right now because everything you have ever been told about trauma and suffering in slaughter houses is a LIE. Slaughter is as humane as it is possible for it to be. The captive bolt gun is the MOST humane way to kill a horse.

YES horses suffer from trauma and suffering...Im not going to pretend it doesent happen.....Um euthanisia is the most humane way, And just because they try to make it as humane as possible doesent mean it is humane.

[Barn_Brat]

When I watched that video you posted Pochahontas.....I was amazed any one could shoot these poor beutiful animals....Look at them..I dident see of them that were thin, suffering, all were birhgt eyed and curious to what was going to happen...Its such a shame It seems like there should be a organization that retrains unwanted horse instead of KILLING them.

[Blistering Winds]

Barn Brat.....it isn't the issue of "retraining" the horses. There are excellent riding horses with awesome training that go to slaughter.

It is the fact that no one purchased them. Either because they didn't like them, can't afford them, etc.

Lets see.....auctions here in the panhandle of texas are PRIME for kill buyers. Why? Because hay is extremely scarce. What it would cost to feed 3-4 horses for a month, now that same amount can only feed ONE horse for a month. Prices are tripling and quadrupling just to feed a horse.

People have no homes to even BRING a horse into. No land to turn them out on. As some acres are STILL burning right now.

Tell me, who is going to take these horses that are sitting in the auction house with NO place to go?

[Dressage Chick]

fine just ignore what i said then!

[Barn_Brat]

That doesent make shooting them right.....What about all the orphen kids in different around the world...should we just shoot them to..I dont think so! Honeslty, Im not trying to go PETA here but I treat my animals like my children...Horses have the intelligence of about a three year old...Would we cause a tramatic and painful death to a three old because she doesent know who her mother is or because she lives in poverty NO. Horses are against the bibles food list.When you shoot a horse it is like shooting a child IMO. Along with pork selfish and other things. It is my beleif that we dont have to kill them for food. And It is mt beleif that god doesent want us eating them...So yes Im AGAINST slaughter.

[Barn_Brat]

I cant beleive people get so upset just because Im aganst slaughter. I think we as americans should care more about our animals...And this is including cows chicken pigs....I mean I've seen chickens killed EXTREMLY inhumanly..They pratically get boiled alive some of them.I feel sick when I think of how the USDA allows cows that have cancerus lesions and sores to be consider usda choice. I makes me sick the way our farm animals are treated PERIOD....This is why I buy ORGANIC food, I make sure to buy organic free range eggs...cause thats the way I beleive animals should live. Cows should live on huge pastures with grass, not cramped in small enclosures, Chickens should not be feed hormones and antiboitics some are even to heavy for there little legs to support. Most of the time, cows are restrained when killed, I've seen it done, and they get a way better hit, It would be pretty hard to do this with a scared horse without hurting it.