[Equine_Harmony]

Originally Posted by Barn_Brat

No. But I think that if you loved horses why would you so strongly support slaughter

I don't feel it is humane, I have proof by mouth, yet these are my words and hold no value here nor anywhere.
Some people feel it has to be done or horses will starve, for too many horses, there are cats and dogs being humanely euthanized on a daily basis, I feel that if the horse were smaller, weight wise they "might be" put down this way too, yet the way it is, horses are not looked at like pets in general, they are looked as livestock....I am aniti slaughter and since it is not humane, where Euthanaisa is...Also one can't burn the horse and some states one can't bury him, and the slaughter house can't take him after he is dead and with chemicals that ended his life. Creamation is not cheap, all animals are suffering this is my deepest pain everyday, I see it for I work around it all, The horses death? Money is to be made and moved, I know too much now, If I could stop it from being inhumane I would, I don't think that it will ever stop. as for too many dogs and cats, soon there will be a slaughter house for them, cause there is only so much of this chemical and it does cost, for my bearded dragon it cost me 70.00-50.00 for cremation, included a Urn...The Law has to be enforced, many this will change a lot...NOTE" As for the cats and dogs go? This may happen, I hope not and from what I hear this chemical is over used and costs too muc, I only hope they don't bring back the G chamber, now that was inhumane and now it ,,to my knowing is ilegal, at least here in the USA.

[pocahontas]

This is from a rescue in Nevada. I have been following them, cause they took in 3 preg mares and mare w/foal from that Fallon feed lot sick situation.
I read this and it makes me very sad for this horse to endure what he did.
This horse was rescued, and died with dignity and love around him.
When I read this, and think back at some things people say that rescues are animal rights activists, blah, blah, blah, they don't do anything. It too saddens me.

People are allowed to abuse, beat, starve, horses in our own backyards from very sick controlling people.
It perplexes me when I hear people say that none of this happens to horses waiting slaughter transport, while in transport, and at the slaughter houses. I am sure some sick people work at slaughters to get their sick fullfillment of abusing horses.



http://www.shilohlasvegas.com/horse....43&horse_cat=7

Our sweet mare, Hope has sadly passed on to her greener pastures. Hope was the victim of intense abuse and neglect. Her previous owner had starved her to the point of dying, and when she arrived at Shiloh it was already too late for her. She was so emaciated that every bone in her body was visible, including her neck vertebrae. Her body had begun to break down and her heart was weak and had a significant murmur. At the end, she went down and her exhausted body was too weak to fight anymore. She had fought far too long and too hard to continue.

We can smile as we remember Hope standing in the sun in her outside run, soaking up the heat. We see her bright eyes and hear her quiet whinny at feeding time. We watched her lay in the sun in the big turn-out and scratched our heads as we tried to come up with a way to tempt her to take her daily heart medicine. And we can laugh as we remember the time she got her quiet revenge on the goats who stole her food as she stepped and stood on the little goat baby, Ferdinand! Poor Ferdie screamed for his mother as Hope stood as if nothing was wrong!

And finally, we remember with great sorrow how we tried to coax her to fight to live, when she knew she was ready to go. We begged her to rage against the dying of the light and not to go gentle into that goodnight, until we finally realized that what we really had given her was time. Time to know something other than abuse and cruelty, time to be loved and know a kind hand, time to feel warmth and comfort, and time to teach us about life and letting go peacefully.

Now Hope, you are strong and whole, never to know hunger or pain again. Sleep softly on those green pastures until we meet there and cross over the bridge together in friendship.

[lovemyshy]

Originally Posted by pocahontas

This is from a rescue in Nevada. I have been following them, cause they took in 3 preg mares and mare w/foal from that Fallon feed lot sick situation.
I read this and it makes me very sad for this horse to endure what he did.
This horse was rescued, and died with dignity and love around him.
When I read this, and think back at some things people say that rescues are animal rights activists, blah, blah, blah, they don't do anything. It too saddens me.

People are allowed to abuse, beat, starve, horses in our own backyards from very sick controlling people.
It perplexes me when I hear people say that none of this happens to horses waiting slaughter transport, while in transport, and at the slaughter houses. I am sure some sick people work at slaughters to get their sick fullfillment of abusing horses.



http://www.shilohlasvegas.com/horse....43&horse_cat=7

Pocohontas, I do understand the desire to save as many horses from abusive situations as one possibly can. I can honestly say that I have never said nor even thought that rescues aren't doing a good thing, or that their hearts aren't in the right place. IF I had the land I would probably take in a few abused and starved animals myself as I hate the thought of any animal dying a slow and painful death that starvation causes. I too feel that no animal should ever know the hand of an evil person. Your story of the horse your friends have saved does sadden me, and I'm glad that his last days were with people that loved and fed him. Regardless of what you think of those of us who are "pro" slaughter, we are not heartless. Just maybe a little more realistic I guess (and I'm not saying that to offend you). When I think of the slaughter being ended I see the result being so many more cases like the one you just posted about, and that is why I could never be on the anti slaughter band wagon. Death is never beautiful, but when they go to slaughter the end is quick. Water and food is provided until it is time for them to go to slaughter.

There is just simply not enough people, land or money to save every unwanted horse from slaughter. By simply saying that rescue's are going to be able to house the thousands of slaughter bound horse that is out there right at this moment is not a realistic end to the supply, it just simply redirects the demand until all the rescues are too full and then you are still left with thousands of unwanted horses with no where to go, and when that happens thousands of unwanted horses would be left to starve to death. A much worse end to their lives IMO.

[SaddleHappy]

If people dont know the cost of putting a horse down they shouldent own them.

Horses live a long time. A lot longer than it takes for a person's life situation and fortunes to change drastically. You may purchase an animal completely able to provide for whatever it needs, and then find that something happens, be it job loss or pay cuts or whatever, that makes it much harder than you anticipated. Especially when the animal is as expensive as a horse.

I have found it's best for me if I just don't say what I would "never" do because it appears to be like triple-dog-daring God to show me that I can be driven to do things differently than I would like to or think I would.

[SaddleHappy]

I lived in Fallon, Nevada. Twice, actually. I didn't know there was a feedlot there, or maybe it wasn't there then. But I do know there were contantly problems figuring out what to do with starving and dehydrated wild Mustangs who could find neither enough food or water in the desert in a drought. There were adoptions and things going on constantly to try to find homes for as many of them as possible.

[Equine_Harmony]

If I could starve the owners who did this, I would and then some...
I am very hurt and beyond.

Pocahontas, thank you for the news, though it sadden me so, it comes with a message. The laws for animal's have to be enforced, so one will think twice, this will never end, not in my generation or to think of our planet, I have to stop typing...

[BreeC]

I believe that since most, if not all, of the overpopulation of horses is the human's fault, we need to take responsibility for ensuring that these horses find good homes.

Take the mares used to make Premarin. Every year, thousands of foals are born and then most are destined to be sold to slaughter; just so the owners can get PREGNANT MARE URINE. How gross is that? All to make a drug for women going through menopause.

As for the others, most are awesome trail riding horses, family pets, champions, or retired show ringers. All of these could have been prevented if their owners had just taken the time to do a private sale instead of auction.

The thing that I am most upset about is the fact that American Champions, such as Ferdinand and Exceller, are being slaughtered in foreign countries FOR A FEW DOLLARS A POUND! What these horses have done for American racing is worth much more than the $500 they were sold for. Both of the above mentioned champions were only slaughtered because they were failures at stud. Any American horse racing owner would have jumped at the chance to bring them back home - even if they WERE failures as stallions! Ferdinand was a Horse of the Year, Older Male Champion, Breeders' Cup Classic winner, Kentucky Derby winner, etc. As for Exceller, he was the only horse ever to beat TWO Triple Crown winners in the same race. Both were so gallant and brave It just breaks my heart that this is how they ended after they tried so hard for their humans. I just thank god that Fraise and Ogygian were brought home from Japan before they met the same fate.

[Barn_Brat]

Originally Posted by arabgirl15

2 Wrongs don't make a right.

Yeah so it is okay for you to bash me but I cant bash you...whatever

[i_luv_moth]

Originally Posted by Barn_Brat

Oh yeah I wonder how many horse owners you have went around asking if they thought horses were livestock. AND the bible says that horses and other animals should NOT be eaten! Especially getting shot ten times at various part of the body. I DONT think it is right what happens to them.

Not fact, that is your opinion. Period. That is the goverments opinion.Period. Some of those horses have worked hard all of there lives trying to please us and what to we do? Put them threw a painful scary death. That is Hypicritcal...If you truely loved horses you wouldent support horse slaughter....I think people know it is horrible, but cover it up by trying to be practical and fit into the crowd here at HGS

Who do you think you are saying that? Our reasons for being okay with horse slaughter are LOGICAL! Over population. You can't stop people breeding and selling!

Seriously,i don't think i've ever been so offended. I don't love horses because i think logically? PPFTTTT!! Please......

And horses are actually LIVESTOCK. Uhuh, say it after me....
L-I-V-E-S-T-O-C-K! But some people choose to TREAT them as pets! I know i don't. My horse is my friend but she isn't my pet.

Oh wait....that's because i don't love horses right?

[Barn_Brat]

Originally Posted by i_luv_moth

Who do you think you are saying that? Our reasons for being okay with horse slaughter are LOGICAL! Over population. You can't stop people breeding and selling!

Seriously,i don't think i've ever been so offended. I don't love horses because i think logically? PPFTTTT!! Please......

And horses are actually LIVESTOCK. Uhuh, say it after me....
L-I-V-E-S-T-O-C-K! But some people choose to TREAT them as pets! I know i don't. My horse is my friend but she isn't my pet.

Oh wait....that's because i don't love horses right?

Hey...Im saying my opinion here...I dont care weather you think they are livestock or not