[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by Crazy_TB

Oh and about facts. Personally, I hate when people try to persuade me with emotions. But have you ever gone to an auction and seen the eyes of a horse being shoved onto a slaughter trailer? How scared they look without even knowing exactly what's going to happen. Oh, and when they're crammed on there with as many other horses as can fit? Just tell me how that is humane.

Here's some facts:
Horses sent to slaughter are often not rested, fed, or watered during travel.
They often crowd as many horses as possible onto trucks for shipment.

I cried when I read this:


I think that all of you who supported this had to be very naive to think that there are no alternatives for horse slaughter and people need it. The owners get paid for the horses they send, horsemeat is not eaten in the U.S., and if it's sold to other countries, what's that doing for the poverty stricken countries who can't afford food. The site I found this information was a very reputable one and is based off of facts.
You can read more here:
http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affe...slaughter.html

Yep, Crazy_TB
Horses do have emotions. I see it in my horses eyes all the time.
I've heard people say when it comes time to put their horses down, they can see emotion in their horse's eyes.
There is alternatives for horse slaughter, it would be a big change, and take alot of work.
Yes, horses are crowded in the slaughter trucks and left without food or water for a loooooooooong time. Laws and likes of proslaughter can say not. But people doing hands on investigating and trying to make a difference see it. And try to report it, but the bigwigs more than likely could care less.
Horses being shipped over for starving countries, a need in some cases, but in some cases the country is controlled by power tripping leaders who are filthy rich.

[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by Sandra-A1

It is an average figure....in some places it is more.... in other places it is less.

Thanks for answering Sandra-A1

I was wondering if someone just thru a figure out their based on assumption, or they have actually checked the cost out.

[pocahontas]

Originally Posted by arabgirl15

Horses are livestock. As cows.

That is only what the gov't has deemed. Alot of horse owners do not see it as that way.

[pocahontas]

Taken from here
http://www.awionline.org/pubs/Quarte...2/blindeye.htm


"To better understand the cruelty perpetrated by the horse slaughter industry I went to one of the three remaining US-based, foreign-owned horse slaughterhouses (two in Texas and one in Illinois) to witness what takes place. It didn't take long to realize that all of the horrible stories were going to prove true before my eyes within the 45 minutes I was there."

"The horses, typically very sensitive animals, slid and fell down the ramp only to be whipped by another worker's rod. All of the horses at the facility exhibited fear typical of "flight" behavior in horses, pacing in prance-like movements with their ears pinned back against their heads and eyes wide open."

"Once inside the building more callous workers, standing high on the railing that lined the stalls, beat the horses on the nose, forehead, neck, back, or hindquarters to get them to move. This continued until they entered the kill chute. "


There is more to the article on the posted website.

[Dressage Chick]

i think your letter is being aimed and written to the wrong people. I would not discourage horse slaughter, it is nessasary (sp?, **** i wish i could spell that word) with the amount of equines in the world, if their wasn`t a certain amount of culling we would be over run!
You should aim the letter at certain breeders, to discourage the amount of indiscriminately bred horses, this would in turn lead to a reduced amount of horse cruelty, slaughter etc, maybe you should also campaign for horses to be slaughtered in better conditions and in more humane ways, this is surely more likely to make a realistic point than campaignng to stop slaughter altogether?

[arabgirl15]

Cold??? Me? Cold?? Wow. That shocked me, coming from a horse lover. Well I'm glad you got it out of you.

No I never said that. I don't even own a horse. But they ARE livestock! That is a fact, not an oppinion.

live·stock (līv'stŏk')
n.

Domestic animals, such as cattle or horses, raised for home use or for profit, especially on a farm.

I was only saying that horses are livestock. You know, some people actually LIKE cows, hard to believe I know . I love cows. But I love horses more. Why the beep would I be on the forum if I didn't? Now I'm gunna get "If you love horses so much then why do you support slaughter. Yadda yadda yadda." And you know what, that is none of your business, and I don't care how bad you want to hear it I ain't talking. And yes I'm, glad that I'm a cold, stuck up, horse livestock caller. Sheesh.

Just animals. No. Not just animals. They are ANIMALS. Not JUST ANIMALS. Amazing creatures. You know cows have feelings to, and they can hear, and CAN be ridden! Not just horses. Horses AND cows AND pigs AND EVERY OTHER ANIMAL has feelings! Please don't twist my words!!

I never said that. Turn a cold shoulder? Uhhh noooo. Allow them to be killed, yes. It's part of life. Horses dieing at slaughter houses is wayy better then having them be KOSHER killed. I'm sure you know what that is.

And now, I, Monica, the cold person am done with my novel.

Originally Posted by Crazy_TB

How cold can you be? So you are saying you could replace your horse with a cow and you'd be okay? You wouldn't tell the difference? Virtually what you are saying is that killing a horse and killing a cow are the same thing, and maybe they are.
But, they're both just animals right? They don't have feelings, emotions. And, because they are just animals we should just turn a cold shoulder and allow them to killed, just like that. We don't see it, so it's not really our problem.


I said the site was reputable. I only listed facts from it, and though the organization is in no doubt using this as propaganda, a lot of the facts are true.

[arabgirl15]

Originally Posted by pocahontas

That is only what the gov't has deemed. Alot of horse owners do not see it as that way.

Not only. I see it that way. MANY MANY MANY horse owners do to. It is a fact, like it or not. You can say they are pets, but thats your oppinion. Horses are livestock. Fact. Lookie here.

live·stock (līv'stŏk')
n. Domestic animals, such as cattle or horses, raised for home use or for profit, especially on a farm.

http://www.answers.com/topic/livestock?method=22

[Buckshot]

1. Get your facts straight. Are you getting this from the PETA? Sounds like it.

2. Get the emotion out of your article. Emotion doesn't impress.

3. After you have done this, send it in... Hopefully you'll get good results.

I am not against horse slaughter, just as I am not against euthanasia of dogs and cats. I am still a horse lover and a cat lover, though. You can't stereotype people just by if they're horse lovers or not, because all horse lovers are not against slaughter.

[Dressage Chick]

i am for the humane way of slaughtering livestock, i am against livestock cruelty, eg, fattening up, inhumane ways of slaughter, stabling, exercising them hard when the are unfit, isolation from other animals of the same species, etc etc. which i believe to be much more cruel than culling itself, does that not make me a horse lover?

[Barn_Brat]

Originally Posted by arabgirl15

Not only. I see it that way. MANY MANY MANY horse owners do to. It is a fact, like it or not. You can say they are pets, but thats your oppinion. Horses are livestock. Fact. Lookie here.



http://www.answers.com/topic/livestock?method=22

Oh yeah I wonder how many horse owners you have went around asking if they thought horses were livestock. AND the bible says that horses and other animals should NOT be eaten! Especially getting shot ten times at various part of the body. I DONT think it is right what happens to them.

Not fact, that is your opinion. Period. That is the goverments opinion.Period. Some of those horses have worked hard all of there lives trying to please us and what to we do? Put them threw a painful scary death. That is Hypicritcal...If you truely loved horses you wouldent support horse slaughter....I think people know it is horrible, but cover it up by trying to be practical and fit into the crowd here at HGS