[ApacheWarrior<3]

Why the attitude?
That's why these threads get shut down. Anti kids spazz out, and get ****** at us pro's, and yell at us for being "cruel" to some horse we don't even know...

:/
What ever.

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by ApacheWarrior<3

Why the attitude?
That's why these threads get shut down. Anti kids spazz out, and get ****** at us pro's, and yell at us for being "cruel" to some horse we don't even know...

:/
What ever.

No attitude here. I don't see "attitude" from any member so far. What I see is "passion" about their stand on the issue.

Laws are put in place to protect ALL animals.....not just the ones you "know".

If we only cared about that which we personally know.....this world would be worse off than it already is.

[mammamia]

Well I live in BC Canada and you can buy horse meat right here. I just want the OP to see all animals have value. Horse meat is eaten right here, and all over Canada so it's not over seas and if you have certain communities in the US they probably have it there too. It's a meat and I just am a little tired of meat eaters screaming murder when horses are sent for slaughter yet it's ok for other animals, an animal is an animal period, flesh is flesh. It is up to you the horse owner to ensure your horse doesn't go to slaughter if you don't want it to and that's the end of the story. 99% of you sit in gorgeous leather (aka dead animal) saddles, have chaps, boots, bridles etc from another dead animal so it's time to either put value on all the slaughter bound animals and understand why things occur and don't scream anymore or give one animal more value than another, they are all living beings with value IMO.

[MissMagic]

YouTube - Non-graphic horse slaughter

here it is i just finished...hope you like it....
Please comment !

[Helpahorse]

That was really good! Nice job!!

Awesome!!

[MissMagic]

Thankyou...

[Wild Foal]

Wow come on guy get a grip! All she wanted was pics not a argument with anti and pro slaughter people. Just chill.

Great video! You did a very good job.

[MissMagic]

Thankyou you guys are awesome..( well some of you )

[harli36]

As far as the video goes, I think that it's too long(unless your teacher wants it that long). Some of the pictures you stay too long on and some of the ones with text are too short. Also the text can be hard to read in some areas and overlaps each other in other areas.


I also think you are not including some information that needs to be included.
1) the skinny neglected horses were not neglected by the slaughter facility but by some person. It probably took these horses a LONG time to look this bad and that at this point in time death(in any form not just slaughter) is probably a blessing for them.

2)Even perfectly healthy horses lay down. I find the pic's of the horses laying down is melodramatic. A pic of a horse laying down doesn't prove that slaughter is evil, it just proves the horse is laying down.

3) You should also mention that double decker trailers are illegal and the man who was driving that trailer was breaking the law. Also the man who was driving that trailer was not affiliated with the slaughter facility.

4)The part where you say "stumbling they follow their friends...." Do you have proof they stumble or is that just being melodramatic again?(not saying this in a mean way just matter of fact) I'm obviously pro-slaughter but I find these type of statements and pic's like the horses (some of whom look very healthy) only for the sake of being dramatic and I soon as I see them the person presenting them looses credibility in my mind. If your against slaughter FINE but if you present yourself in as non-dramatic, factual way then your going to impress and convince more people. Speaking for myself if only more anti-slaughter people spoken with credibility then I would probably take them more seriously.

5) At min. 4:32 you say "In some countries they use hammers, others a gun like thing. Called the captive bolt". First of all your punctuation is wrong if you want to keep it worded like that it should be. "In some countries they use hammers. Other countries use a gun like thing, called the Captive Bolt".

However I would like to make some comments regarding that statement. First of all what kind of a hammer are you talking about? Like a hammer as in-I need to drive a nail into a wall- hammer? If so I've never heard such a crazy thing and I can assure you no civilized country does this. Some countries like Canada (I believe) use electrocution but most use the Captive Bolt. Another thing to take into consideration is saying "other countries use a gun like thing call a Captive Bolt" sounds very unprofessional. A better way to word it would be. "Other countries use the Captive Bolt, which acts similarly to a gun".

6)At 5:23 you say "......aiming to make the horse senseless" That's not entirely true the point is to make the animal brain dead. There is a definite difference between that and "senseless". Although a brain dead animal IS senseless not all the time is a "senseless" animal brain dead.

7) At 5:37 you say "In America for example, the horses slip down a ramp into a blood-sodden room. There a man hoists them in the air by their legs".

Again I find this statement melodramatic and a place where you may loose the confidence of your audience. But that aside the statement is leaving out some very important parts. For a minute I will ignore the fact that I'm 99% sure that the animals don't slip down a ramp and aren't put into a blood sodden room,although in regards the ramp I don't know I would have to visit every slaughter plant in order to make that kind of a statement. But anyone thinking clearly about the situation would realize that having the horses "slip down a ramp" can endanger the animal and cause them to break a leg which would cause the meat to be unusable for human consumption (the thing where they make the most $$$$). And that it's unsanitary to have a room "blood sodden" and thus probably wouldn't pass inspections. But needless to say this statement here implies the animal is awake when they are "hoisted into the air by their legs". This is entirely not true. It would be dangerous to horse and humans if that were the case. The horse (and you even have a pic of this) is standing upright when they are rendered brain dead by the captive bolt. Then they are hoisted up AFTER they are brain dead.

8) Then at 5:47 you say "The legs are broken or even hacked off while the horse is bleeding to death. Then it is skinned and packaged".

The legs are not hacked off while the horse is bleeding to death and the horse is brain dead while they are bleeding out. You need the blood to be removed from the body in order for the meat to be any good. Breaking the legs before the body has completely bled out is useless and provides no purpose other then to contaminate and make the meat useless. This doesn't happen. After the animal is completely bled out then as part of the butchering process yes the legs are removed but by that time they are completely dead.

Please note I'm not trying to sway your opinion here. I'm just trying to get you to think about the statements your making and how to present yourself in a more professional manner. Good luck with your report.

[Helpahorse]

Originally Posted by harli36

As far as the video goes, I think that it's too long(unless your teacher wants it that long). Some of the pictures you stay too long on and some of the ones with text are too short. Also the text can be hard to read in some areas and overlaps each other in other areas.


I also think you are not including some information that needs to be included.
1) the skinny neglected horses were not neglected by the slaughter facility but by some person. It probably took these horses a LONG time to look this bad and that at this point in time death(in any form not just slaughter) is probably a blessing for them.

2)Even perfectly healthy horses lay down. I find the pic's of the horses laying down is melodramatic. A pic of a horse laying down doesn't prove that slaughter is evil, it just proves the horse is laying down.

3) You should also mention that double decker trailers are illegal and the man who was driving that trailer was breaking the law. Also the man who was driving that trailer was not affiliated with the slaughter facility.

4)The part where you say "stumbling they follow their friends...." Do you have proof they stumble or is that just being melodramatic again?(not saying this in a mean way just matter of fact) I'm obviously pro-slaughter but I find these type of statements and pic's like the horses (some of whom look very healthy) only for the sake of being dramatic and I soon as I see them the person presenting them looses credibility in my mind. If your against slaughter FINE but if you present yourself in as non-dramatic, factual way then your going to impress and convince more people. Speaking for myself if only more anti-slaughter people spoken with credibility then I would probably take them more seriously.

5) At min. 4:32 you say "In some countries they use hammers, others a gun like thing. Called the captive bolt". First of all your punctuation is wrong if you want to keep it worded like that it should be. "In some countries they use hammers. Other countries use a gun like thing, called the Captive Bolt".

However I would like to make some comments regarding that statement. First of all what kind of a hammer are you talking about? Like a hammer as in-I need to drive a nail into a wall- hammer? If so I've never heard such a crazy thing and I can assure you no civilized country does this. Some countries like Canada (I believe) use electrocution but most use the Captive Bolt. Another thing to take into consideration is saying "other countries use a gun like thing call a Captive Bolt" sounds very unprofessional. A better way to word it would be. "Other countries use the Captive Bolt, which acts similarly to a gun".

6)At 5:23 you say "......aiming to make the horse senseless" That's not entirely true the point is to make the animal brain dead. There is a definite difference between that and "senseless". Although a brain dead animal IS senseless not all the time is a "senseless" animal brain dead.

7) At 5:37 you say "In America for example, the horses slip down a ramp into a blood-sodden room. There a man hoists them in the air by their legs".

Again I find this statement melodramatic and a place where you may loose the confidence of your audience. But that aside the statement is leaving out some very important parts. For a minute I will ignore the fact that I'm 99% sure that the animals don't slip down a ramp and aren't put into a blood sodden room,although in regards the ramp I don't know I would have to visit every slaughter plant in order to make that kind of a statement. But anyone thinking clearly about the situation would realize that having the horses "slip down a ramp" can endanger the animal and cause them to break a leg which would cause the meat to be unusable for human consumption (the thing where they make the most $$$$). And that it's unsanitary to have a room "blood sodden" and thus probably wouldn't pass inspections. But needless to say this statement here implies the animal is awake when they are "hoisted into the air by their legs". This is entirely not true. It would be dangerous to horse and humans if that were the case. The horse (and you even have a pic of this) is standing upright when they are rendered brain dead by the captive bolt. Then they are hoisted up AFTER they are brain dead.

8) Then at 5:47 you say "The legs are broken or even hacked off while the horse is bleeding to death. Then it is skinned and packaged".

The legs are not hacked off while the horse is bleeding to death and the horse is brain dead while they are bleeding out. You need the blood to be removed from the body in order for the meat to be any good. Breaking the legs before the body has completely bled out is useless and provides no purpose other then to contaminate and make the meat useless. This doesn't happen. After the animal is completely bled out then as part of the butchering process yes the legs are removed but by that time they are completely dead.

Please note I'm not trying to sway your opinion here. I'm just trying to get you to think about the statements your making and how to present yourself in a more professional manner. Good luck with your report.

I get what you are saying...but you are completely taken pieces of her project and ripping them apart! Sure she could've added something here, and a little something over there, but is it really necessary to say this?

She's just making a video for school, it's not like she's presenting it to congress...